Intel doubles phase change memory - bit-tech.net Forums

CardJoe · 5th Feb 2008, 10:15

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/02...hange_memory/1

Intel has announced new research leading to a doubling in the capacity of phase change memory, a technology many think will replace both flash and DRAM technologies.

mmorgue · 5th Feb 2008, 10:28

Like so many new techs, it sounds great, but no mention of when it might be commercially available. I'm guessing it's the usual, 5-8 years before we see anything and even then it will be like SSD; an obscene amount of ££ for the 1st/2nd gen items.

yakyb · 5th Feb 2008, 11:06

its hard to get excited about hdd tech that we will not see for years

i would like to know what kind of storage size we could realistically expect (and power usage for that matter)

will we drives bigger than 5tb in the next few(5) years?

[USRF]Obiwan · 5th Feb 2008, 11:14

I wish all of the memory companies would just jump on the SSD as soon as possible. And maybe HardDrive manufacturers would therefor jump on this as well before its to late for them. Because i know for sure that if SSD drops the price to consumer levels it will sell like icecream on a hot summer day.

DXR_13KE · 5th Feb 2008, 15:48

very interesting tech..... i wonder if this will be used on optical media.......

Bluephoenix · 5th Feb 2008, 22:04

hopefully it isn't as vulnerable to physical shockloads as most other crystalline structures.

It would certainly be nice to have computers with virtually no load times or data loss from power cuts.

though I'd still want a buffer and not a direct read/write as that prevents possible file corruption from calc errors.

r4tch3t · 5th Feb 2008, 23:31

The question is, how overclockable are they going to be?

Spaceraver · 6th Feb 2008, 02:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by r4tch3t

The question is, how overclockable are they going to be?

Win!

Tulatin · 6th Feb 2008, 06:24

Actually. 1.6TB SCSI ssds will soon exist :http://[url]http//www.dailytech.com/BiTMICRO+Announces+16TB+Ultra320+SCSI+SSD/article10588.htm%5B/url%5D

metarinka · 6th Feb 2008, 06:25

interesting but still a way off, even if the tech was market worthy today at a reasonable price, it would take a long time for OS and other hardware makers (mobo's) to catch up as this would be pretty big departure from current PC architecture

ryanjleng · 6th Feb 2008, 06:46

Interesting but...

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Imagine a system where you didn't need to read a file from permanent storage into volatile RAM, and one where you lose nothing should a power-cut occur. That's the promise of phase change memory. And it's a promise that many in the industry are excited about. Jim Handy, an analyst at Objective Analysis, claims that “[mobile] handset manufacturers are excited about phase-change memory” simply because it will allow them to ditch the flash and DRAM chips and “replace them with one phase-change memory chip.”

IMHO ain't gonna happen to the PC platform because of the discrepency in the rate of performance increase between Phase Change/NAND and DRAM-CPU.

It's only viable on platform that doesn't require heavy throughput like mobile devices. Phase Change aren't intended for the PC.

Forget about OC'ing. It's like trying to OC your HDD. Even if it's twice the throughput of HDD, it is still like using your HDD (Virtual Memory) as the main memory - painful. The low-latency-benefit argument is negated when considering the actual throughput.

NAND MLC already has a 2-bit cell. Each cell can store 4 values = (0,0) (0,1) (1,0) and (1,1)

Toshiba has already implemented a very impressive 3D Multi Stacking of NAND array since July-August 2007... expanding the capacity per chip multiple times.

There is something going on...

maybe the news cycle is an overture to higher management?

"Please don't can our project" since INTEL-MICRON announced 5 fold increase in NAND throughput.

5th Feb 2008, 10:15	#1
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mmorgue Supermodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mos Eisley, in the bar... Posts: 378	Like so many new techs, it sounds great, but no mention of when it might be commercially available. I'm guessing it's the usual, 5-8 years before we see anything and even then it will be like SSD; an obscene amount of ££ for the 1st/2nd gen items.

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Bluephoenix Spoon? What spoon? Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Daytona Beach, FL Posts: 936	hopefully it isn't as vulnerable to physical shockloads as most other crystalline structures. It would certainly be nice to have computers with virtually no load times or data loss from power cuts. though I'd still want a buffer and not a direct read/write as that prevents possible file corruption from calc errors.

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metarinka I am a Dremel Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,619	interesting but still a way off, even if the tech was market worthy today at a reasonable price, it would take a long time for OS and other hardware makers (mobo's) to catch up as this would be pretty big departure from current PC architecture __________________ project: Orbitoid project: Orbitoid discussion Project: Angry-9 the WWII radio