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CardJoe · 3rd Mar 2008, 10:25

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/03...ugh_for_mgs4/1

Kojima productions have confessed that the 50GB of space on a Blur-ray disc just doesn't cut it and that much of MGS4 has been trimmed down to fit.

CrixD · 3rd Mar 2008, 10:27

:O holy **** o_o!

BioSniper · 3rd Mar 2008, 10:30

lazy/poor/lack of compression is not an excuse for filling a disc.

oddball walking · 3rd Mar 2008, 10:37

How about splitting it up onto 2 discs. It would cost more but should be worth it for more content.

naokaji · 3rd Mar 2008, 10:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by BioSniper

lazy/poor/lack of compression is not an excuse for filling a disc.

QFT

besides, Orange Box is like what? 25 GB? thats 5 games, so even if MGS4 is as big as 5 games it would only fill half of that 50Gb avalaible on blueray.

cjoyce1980 · 3rd Mar 2008, 10:45

assuming that this game is still coming to the 360, and the PC. users will require 6 DVD's!!!! just imagine the install.

99% of developers are still having difficulty finding enough content to fill a dvd, so i agree with BioSniper, but me also thinks that all the cut scenes must be pre-render HD video.

I mean, the 3D world plus all the voice acting can't be that big........ 15-20GB tops, unless this game is meant to be more of a movie than an actual game

Paradigm Shifter · 3rd Mar 2008, 10:46

Hm... if they can't fit the game on a single 50GB Blu-ray disc... how many DVDs is it going to come on for the 360?

Delphium · 3rd Mar 2008, 10:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by BioSniper

lazy/poor/lack of compression is not an excuse for filling a disc.

QFT

Seeing that I have seen some gfx demos with audio, that are less than half a meg and look near realistic!
I think they can improve on the compression of textures by a fair ammount without effecting the image quality toomuch, not as is the PS3 would not be cabable of uncompessing these on the fly.

cjoyce1980 · 3rd Mar 2008, 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by naokaji

QFT

besides, Orange Box is like what? 25 GB? thats 5 games, so even if MGS4 is as big as 5 games it would only fill half of that 50Gb avalaible on blueray.

the orange box was only 7GB on the 360, so there is no way in hell that it was 25GB on the PS3 unless it was uncompressed and if that was so the loading times were awful compared to the 360, and also it was the pc install that was around the 27GB mark.

adamc · 3rd Mar 2008, 11:26

makes me worry about the amount of crappy voice acting i'm going to have to listen to...

Jokkocze · 3rd Mar 2008, 11:33

What are they doing with it anyway? Putting it all uncompressed on the disc? Stupidity!

neonplanet40 · 3rd Mar 2008, 11:43

I dont beleive it to be honest. He must have been pissed when he said that. To say a game thats due out on the 360 as well (dual layer dvd at most) that it cant fit on a 50Gb disk is taking the piss.

Veles · 3rd Mar 2008, 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by BioSniper

lazy/poor/lack of compression is not an excuse for filling a disc.

QFT +whatever we're on

I remember the PR bullshit before the PS3 was released about how they were filling the disks already, which was only because they weren't compressing the data so much and had to repeat data on some games like oblivion.

Goty · 3rd Mar 2008, 12:03

Well, considering the fact that IF MGS4 gets released for the 360 it will be at least a year after the PS3 launch, that would give MS a chance to backpedal on ANOTHER statement of theirs and release MGS4 on the Blu-Ray drive that was never supposed to happend for the system.

=P

Jamie · 3rd Mar 2008, 12:08

Several hours of pre rendered cut scenes perhaps?

CardJoe · 3rd Mar 2008, 12:10

Personally I see this as yet more of a sign that Kojima and co are just ego-f**ing each other with this game. There's no plausible reason for it to be so huge, so delayed, etc. They've just got carried away with themselves and had their egos too inflated with their own pretensiousness and reviewer-fed grandeur. That's what the news of the game has lead me to believe over the last few months anyway - but I guess we'll see when its released. Who know, I could be wrong and the game might be awesome.

Bear in mind it would have to have even more cutscenes that DMC4 for it to even get close to filling the disc too...that amount of movie isn't a good thing for what should be a game and not a film.

Orlix · 3rd Mar 2008, 12:15

maybe the PC version comes in a 100GB hard drive instead of DVDs

Flibblebot · 3rd Mar 2008, 12:41

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Originally Posted by Jamie

Several hours of pre rendered cut scenes perhaps?

Oh. My. God. We're going back to the early 90s and the days of FMV. MGS4 is just a remake of The Seventh Guest

Quote:

Originally Posted by CardJoe

Personally I see this as yet more of a sign that Kojima and co are just ego-f**ing each other with this game. There's no plausible reason for it to be so huge, so delayed, etc. They've just got carried away with themselves and had their egos too inflated with their own pretentiousness and reviewer-fed grandeur. That's what the news of the game has lead me to believe over the last few months anyway - but I guess we'll see when its released. Who know, I could be wrong and the game might be awesome.

Bear in mind it would have to have even more cutscenes that DMC4 for it to even get close to filling the disc too...that amount of movie isn't a good thing for what should be a game and not a film.

It doesn't bode well. Whichever way you look at it, it's looking like the game's going to suffer from over-hyping from both Kojima & MGS fanboys. This can only lead to disappointment all round

[USRF]Obiwan · 3rd Mar 2008, 12:48

Bwuaaaahaaaaaahahahaha learn to fkng program. Ever seen 64k demos? afcourse not. PS3 cant do sht except layering huge uncompressed prety pictures (called sprites) and let these huge pictures move around the screen happy happy joy joy! So much fun. with the PS3 stickfigures engine.

Ashy · 3rd Mar 2008, 12:57

For those complaining about the cut scenes, I thought i'd highlight a main factor your missing.
"Tactical Episode Action". Seen on the front cover. of all MGS games. So these cut scenes are
needed because they need to fit this game into the storey line of all other MGS, such as MGS1,2 and 3.
as well as keeping its own storeyline...

For those complaining about the size. I'm not a fan of XBOX as it is, and If the MGS4 wasnt a PS3 Exclusive,
I'd be disappointed that the PS3 Version has to have its graphics downgraded by compressions, due to the
XBOX's lack of handing this.

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cjoyce1980 Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK Posts: 343	assuming that this game is still coming to the 360, and the PC. users will require 6 DVD's!!!! just imagine the install. 99% of developers are still having difficulty finding enough content to fill a dvd, so i agree with BioSniper, but me also thinks that all the cut scenes must be pre-render HD video. I mean, the 3D world plus all the voice acting can't be that big........ 15-20GB tops, unless this game is meant to be more of a movie than an actual game Last edited by cjoyce1980; 3rd Mar 2008 at 10:52.

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Goty Supermodder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Dacula, GA USA Posts: 302	Well, considering the fact that IF MGS4 gets released for the 360 it will be at least a year after the PS3 launch, that would give MS a chance to backpedal on ANOTHER statement of theirs and release MGS4 on the Blu-Ray drive that was never supposed to happend for the system. =P

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CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,940	Personally I see this as yet more of a sign that Kojima and co are just ego-f*ing each other with this game. There's no plausible reason for it to be so huge, so delayed, etc. They've just got carried away with themselves and had their egos too inflated with their own pretensiousness and reviewer-fed grandeur. That's what the news of the game has lead me to believe over the last few months anyway - but I guess we'll see when its released. Who know, I could be wrong and the game might be awesome. Bear in mind it would have to have even more cutscenes that DMC4 for it to even get close to filling the disc too...that amount of movie isn't a good thing for what should be a game and not a film. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog*

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Ashy Developer. Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: UK Posts: 1	For those complaining about the cut scenes, I thought i'd highlight a main factor your missing. "Tactical Episode Action". Seen on the front cover. of all MGS games. So these cut scenes are needed because they need to fit this game into the storey line of all other MGS, such as MGS1,2 and 3. as well as keeping its own storeyline... For those complaining about the size. I'm not a fan of XBOX as it is, and If the MGS4 wasnt a PS3 Exclusive, I'd be disappointed that the PS3 Version has to have its graphics downgraded by compressions, due to the XBOX's lack of handing this.