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CardJoe · 20th Mar 2008, 10:36

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/03..._pcga_debate/1

After chatting to Epic about why the developer signed up to join the PC Gaming Alliance, Epic explained that it was all because they love debate.

Paradigm Shifter · 20th Mar 2008, 10:52

The best way to kill innovation or creativity is "design by committee"...

Jordan Wise · 20th Mar 2008, 10:52

so they didn't even apologies for being hypocrites

Bauul · 20th Mar 2008, 11:05

OMGMG Epic reads BIT!!!! LOLROXORS!!!one!!1!!

So basically they say "yes we know we're hypocrites, but we think it's healthy that it makes you talk about it". Riiight....

Jar of Almonds · 20th Mar 2008, 11:12

Oh Epic, you just aren't very good at keeping friends are you....

Epic fail! :P

Jordan Wise · 20th Mar 2008, 11:24

can i get a 'B'!
can i get an 'A'!
can i get an 'S'!....

/cheerleader mode

DXR_13KE · 20th Mar 2008, 11:38

if you are reading this Epic, please register into the forums and enter a healthy conversation with the community, AKA, your paying customers....

WhiskeyAlpha · 20th Mar 2008, 12:30

Hmm. Don't really know what to make of this.

Still doesn't explain why they're part of the alliance after basically saying "down with pc gaming" and "long live the cash cow consoles". As a company they have the right to follow the best course of action to make the business flourish and improve profits. After all, the stakeholders won't be dissapointed that way.

What I find odd though is the ease with which they've "laid the smackdown" on the pc gaming community which, lets not forget, they would never exist today without.

Redbeaver · 20th Mar 2008, 13:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiskeyAlpha

Hmm. Don't really know what to make of this.

Still doesn't explain why they're part of the alliance after basically saying "down with pc gaming" and "long live the cash cow consoles". As a company they have the right to follow the best course of action to make the business flourish and improve profits. After all, the stakeholders won't be dissapointed that way.

What I find odd though is the ease with which they've "laid the smackdown" on the pc gaming community which, lets not forget, they would never exist today without.

nicely put. QFT.

knowyourenemy · 20th Mar 2008, 13:50

I still call hoax on the PC gaming market being in paralysis. At least, I will until I see the figures Steam has been shooting out.

The_Pope · 20th Mar 2008, 14:32

Great pr0n name - Randy Stude

Boogle · 20th Mar 2008, 16:51

I used to adore Epic, UT was the bees knees. UT2003 and UT2004 weren't *bad* and were definitely enjoyable. The Assault mode in both UT and UT2004 was and is godlike to this day.

But UT3 is horrific; I wasn't going to buy it except the low price of the collectors tempted me. I wish I saved the cash. While Gears of War is undoubtedly a success, I found some parts just plain irritating and stupid. Little creatures that close in close and explode if you kill them? Ye nice idea that... The final boss is a joke as well.

The comments from Epic are certainly reminiscent of other companies that dismissed their fanbase. Like EA used to. Oh well, looks like I'll be adding Epic to the list of devs to not buy games from unless the game gets universal glowing reviews. Gone are the days where just having the Epic brand name on the game was enough for a purchase

Silver51 · 20th Mar 2008, 22:30

I don't think PC gaming is dead, but from Epic's point of view it may be a little slow. I bought UT3, played it for a week then gave up on it. Same story with UT2003, ended up feeling *meh*. I guess what is passable on a console, with joypad controls and TV graphics, just doesn't cut it on the PC.

Treating a PC gamer the same as a console gamer is a mistake imo. Epic should play games like the Orange Box and Deus Ex and take notes if they're serious about making PC games.

sotu1 · 20th Mar 2008, 23:11

"Treating a PC gamer the same as a console gamer is a mistake imo. Epic should play games like the Orange Box and Deus Ex and take notes if they're serious about making PC games."

Epic clearly stated they're not serious about PC games OR gamers for that matter.

Boycott Epic in every shape and form.

LordPyrinc · 21st Mar 2008, 00:01

E.P.I.C - hum, Evil Parasites Intent on Corruption? Perhaps their aim is to merely infiltrate the group so that they can undermine it.

Silver51 · 21st Mar 2008, 10:39

I've been thinking about the things said about PC gaming and piracy recently. Do people like Epic really think that people who own a console are magically prevented from playing pirate copies of games?

What the guesstimates taken from monitoring torrent sites don't show is how many people own a chipped console and are making copies of their mates disks.

I don't think PC gaming is dead, I just think developers are doing a 'Hollywood' and not relying on their imaginations when creating games these days.

TreeDude · 21st Mar 2008, 12:52

It's a sad time for PC gamers.

I still can't help but be tempted by the Epic pack on Steam though. $54 for all the Unreal games. That is just crazy.

Cthippo · 21st Mar 2008, 18:49

Think of Epic's place on the alliance as an exit interview.

Epic has been a part of PC gaming for a very long time. It seems reasonable for them to be part of the PCGA if for no other reason than to share their views on why PC gaming is not a viable market. I'm sure they would rather it be otherwise.

mrplow · 21st Mar 2008, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boogle

Gone are the days where just having the Epic brand name on the game was enough for a purchase

Epic Pinball

bbshammo · 23rd Mar 2008, 23:05

If you look at other industries throughout history,there are countless cases of firms growing to a point where their own arrogance, ignorance, idleness and complacency gets the better of them and they sink; Epic are showing signs.

Normally, the innovators and true pioneers who ultimately reap the greatest rewards are outnumbered by several multiples; there are far more mediocre players than REAL players; yes, Epic are in the latter group, IMHO.

We need do nothing but talk with out wallets, and the combination of this with the efforts of other players in the gaming industry in general will deal Epic their "just-deserts", if you will. No worries there.

Fine, Epic, off you go. GO and serve the market segment you "think" serves you best; the gap you leave, which isn't that big, let's be honest, will be filled in no time by a firm or firms who DO have what it takes to serve the lead users of the gaming industry as a whole.

This leads me on to the FUNDAMENTAL POINT; PC GAMERS ARE NOT THE SAME AS CONSOLE GAMERS. They are an entirely distinct segment that cannot be ignored by anyone who can actually think logically. It's all one big family and console gamers serve their purpose as do PC gamers.

Anyone who tries to argue that PC gaming will "die" is just displaying their knee-jerk reaction and general ignorance to the facts that it's a long established segment, plays a crucial role in driving the hardware industry, doesn't share fundamentally desired attributes to console gaming, and simply won't go away.

Epic are simply saying that they can't be bothered to or simply aren't able to meet the challenges posed by the PC gaming market, for whatever reasons.

For them to pipe up and state that they know the score and it's going down is irresponsible, arrogant and downright stupid.

Absolutely, it currently faces some serious challenges, namely the huge gap between performance levels at the top and bottom end of hardware, and the piracy to name a couple of obvious issues, but these are challenges that the right player such as VALVE are dealing with in a superb way.

To be honest, I don't know why Epic have such a rep. They have hardly pioneered anything outstanding; UT was always second best to Quake as pure hardcore multiplayer fragging goes, and their only other claim is their enginesl; whoopie!

Let's just support players like Valve and Crytek for their vision, skill, talent and balls!

I think Epic may have forgotten WHY they entered the arena in the first place; losers.

20th Mar 2008, 10:36	#1
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20th Mar 2008, 10:52	#3
Jordan Wise Baby called to see the boss... Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Newcastle Uni Posts: 597	so they didn't even apologies for being hypocrites __________________ Favourite Max Payne quote: "He was trying to buy sand for his hour glass, and I wasn't selling any" Steam ID:jordanwise

20th Mar 2008, 11:05	#4
Bauul Sir Bongaminge Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Godalming, near Guildford Posts: 1,553	OMGMG Epic reads BIT!!!! LOLROXORS!!!one!!1!! So basically they say "yes we know we're hypocrites, but we think it's healthy that it makes you talk about it". Riiight.... __________________ Pentium 4 CPU 3.4 Ghz \| 1Gb + 2x512Mb Corsair DDR2 667 Mhz Sapphire Radeon HD 4770 512Mb\| WD Raptor 36Gb, Seagate 300Gb \| Asus P5LD2 SE Ibanez RG 470 Japanese Edition \| 1991 Japanese Lo-TRS Tremolo \| V7 S1 Custom V8 HSH Pickups

20th Mar 2008, 11:12	#5
Jar of Almonds Minimodder Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia Posts: 22	Oh Epic, you just aren't very good at keeping friends are you.... Epic fail! :P __________________ Some days you're the fly. Other days you're the windshield.

20th Mar 2008, 11:24	#6
Jordan Wise Baby called to see the boss... Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Newcastle Uni Posts: 597	can i get a 'B'! can i get an 'A'! can i get an 'S'!.... /cheerleader mode __________________ Favourite Max Payne quote: "He was trying to buy sand for his hour glass, and I wasn't selling any" Steam ID:jordanwise

20th Mar 2008, 10:52	#2
Paradigm Shifter Lethargic Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,213	The best way to kill innovation or creativity is "design by committee"...

20th Mar 2008, 11:38	#7
DXR_13KE Madeira's banana is the best!!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Madeira ; Portugal Posts: 6,485	if you are reading this Epic, please register into the forums and enter a healthy conversation with the community, AKA, your paying customers.... __________________ RENEGADE X CONTEST! <---- CLICK if you want to win a free Command & Conquer 4 beta key!

20th Mar 2008, 12:30	#8
WhiskeyAlpha Hypermodder Join Date: May 2006 Location: East London Posts: 831	Hmm. Don't really know what to make of this. Still doesn't explain why they're part of the alliance after basically saying "down with pc gaming" and "long live the cash cow consoles". As a company they have the right to follow the best course of action to make the business flourish and improve profits. After all, the stakeholders won't be dissapointed that way. What I find odd though is the ease with which they've "laid the smackdown" on the pc gaming community which, lets not forget, they would never exist today without. __________________ Intel Q6600 @ 3.6Ghz \| ASUS P5K Premium \| 4GB G.Skill DDR2 PC2-8000 \| Nvidia 8800GTX @ 702/1728/2214Mhz \| 750GB HDD Storage \| Corsair HX 620W \| Dell 2007WFP \| Tannoy Reveal Active 5A \| Beresford MK6 DAC Customised Mountain Mods U2-UFO \| ThermoChill PA120.3 & PA120.2 \| D-Tek FuZion \| EK-FC8800 GTX \| Alphacool Repack Bay Res x2 \| Laing DDC x2 \| 1/2" Tygon \| Feser One Coolant

20th Mar 2008, 13:50	#10
knowyourenemy Professional Winner Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: A telephone pole. Posts: 55	I still call hoax on the PC gaming market being in paralysis. At least, I will until I see the figures Steam has been shooting out. __________________ //Sun Tzu?

20th Mar 2008, 14:32	#11
The_Pope Geoff Richards Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: UK Posts: 2,089	Great pr0n name - Randy Stude

20th Mar 2008, 16:51	#12
Boogle Multimodder Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: UK Posts: 157	I used to adore Epic, UT was the bees knees. UT2003 and UT2004 weren't bad and were definitely enjoyable. The Assault mode in both UT and UT2004 was and is godlike to this day. But UT3 is horrific; I wasn't going to buy it except the low price of the collectors tempted me. I wish I saved the cash. While Gears of War is undoubtedly a success, I found some parts just plain irritating and stupid. Little creatures that close in close and explode if you kill them? Ye nice idea that... The final boss is a joke as well. The comments from Epic are certainly reminiscent of other companies that dismissed their fanbase. Like EA used to. Oh well, looks like I'll be adding Epic to the list of devs to not buy games from unless the game gets universal glowing reviews. Gone are the days where just having the Epic brand name on the game was enough for a purchase

20th Mar 2008, 22:30	#13
Silver51 I cast flare! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1,194	I don't think PC gaming is dead, but from Epic's point of view it may be a little slow. I bought UT3, played it for a week then gave up on it. Same story with UT2003, ended up feeling meh. I guess what is passable on a console, with joypad controls and TV graphics, just doesn't cut it on the PC. Treating a PC gamer the same as a console gamer is a mistake imo. Epic should play games like the Orange Box and Deus Ex and take notes if they're serious about making PC games.

20th Mar 2008, 23:11	#14
sotu1 Mini Love Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England, South of. Posts: 1,169	"Treating a PC gamer the same as a console gamer is a mistake imo. Epic should play games like the Orange Box and Deus Ex and take notes if they're serious about making PC games." Epic clearly stated they're not serious about PC games OR gamers for that matter. Boycott Epic in every shape and form. __________________ Death to consolification !!! [size=1]Give me my Windforce! I'm coming back!

21st Mar 2008, 00:01	#15
LordPyrinc Legomaniac Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: USA Posts: 256	E.P.I.C - hum, Evil Parasites Intent on Corruption? Perhaps their aim is to merely infiltrate the group so that they can undermine it.

21st Mar 2008, 10:39	#16
Silver51 I cast flare! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Cornwall Posts: 1,194	I've been thinking about the things said about PC gaming and piracy recently. Do people like Epic really think that people who own a console are magically prevented from playing pirate copies of games? What the guesstimates taken from monitoring torrent sites don't show is how many people own a chipped console and are making copies of their mates disks. I don't think PC gaming is dead, I just think developers are doing a 'Hollywood' and not relying on their imaginations when creating games these days.

21st Mar 2008, 12:52	#17
TreeDude Multimodder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 239	It's a sad time for PC gamers. I still can't help but be tempted by the Epic pack on Steam though. $54 for all the Unreal games. That is just crazy.

21st Mar 2008, 18:49	#18
Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 4,475	Think of Epic's place on the alliance as an exit interview. Epic has been a part of PC gaming for a very long time. It seems reasonable for them to be part of the PCGA if for no other reason than to share their views on why PC gaming is not a viable market. I'm sure they would rather it be otherwise. __________________ Notice: If we see you flaming we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate measures - The Bit-Tech Fire Brigade.

23rd Mar 2008, 23:05	#20
bbshammo Minimodder Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 31	tsk, tsk, typical case of getting too big for their boots... If you look at other industries throughout history,there are countless cases of firms growing to a point where their own arrogance, ignorance, idleness and complacency gets the better of them and they sink; Epic are showing signs. Normally, the innovators and true pioneers who ultimately reap the greatest rewards are outnumbered by several multiples; there are far more mediocre players than REAL players; yes, Epic are in the latter group, IMHO. We need do nothing but talk with out wallets, and the combination of this with the efforts of other players in the gaming industry in general will deal Epic their "just-deserts", if you will. No worries there. Fine, Epic, off you go. GO and serve the market segment you "think" serves you best; the gap you leave, which isn't that big, let's be honest, will be filled in no time by a firm or firms who DO have what it takes to serve the lead users of the gaming industry as a whole. This leads me on to the FUNDAMENTAL POINT; PC GAMERS ARE NOT THE SAME AS CONSOLE GAMERS. They are an entirely distinct segment that cannot be ignored by anyone who can actually think logically. It's all one big family and console gamers serve their purpose as do PC gamers. Anyone who tries to argue that PC gaming will "die" is just displaying their knee-jerk reaction and general ignorance to the facts that it's a long established segment, plays a crucial role in driving the hardware industry, doesn't share fundamentally desired attributes to console gaming, and simply won't go away. Epic are simply saying that they can't be bothered to or simply aren't able to meet the challenges posed by the PC gaming market, for whatever reasons. For them to pipe up and state that they know the score and it's going down is irresponsible, arrogant and downright stupid. Absolutely, it currently faces some serious challenges, namely the huge gap between performance levels at the top and bottom end of hardware, and the piracy to name a couple of obvious issues, but these are challenges that the right player such as VALVE are dealing with in a superb way. To be honest, I don't know why Epic have such a rep. They have hardly pioneered anything outstanding; UT was always second best to Quake as pure hardcore multiplayer fragging goes, and their only other claim is their enginesl; whoopie! Let's just support players like Valve and Crytek for their vision, skill, talent and balls! I think Epic may have forgotten WHY they entered the arena in the first place; losers.