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Tim S · 11th Apr 2008, 07:05

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...9550_b3_cpus/1

The highly anticipated Phenom B3 stepping processors are here with slightly faster clocks and no TLB erratum. How does the new stepping overclock? How does it compare to other CPUs around the same price? We dive in to find out.

Amon · 11th Apr 2008, 07:37

Quality review as expected of bit-tech. I like how you coloured the bar graphs. Much easier to follow, I find. Having said that, it would be nice if you guys inserted the truncated processor titles inside the bars on page 9's "composite scores"; there's sufficient space for that. And the colour key seems to be off for that chart as well

Anyway, I've been anticipating the arrival of these chips for a little while, as a try-and-see alternative to the Q6600.

and.... it's got a turbo! FFFFFRRRRRrrrooooo... PSSHHHHHTCH~!!

sandys · 11th Apr 2008, 09:18

Where are the Nvidia chipset with SLI support, i've been waiting bloody ages.

Leitchy · 11th Apr 2008, 09:25

I love you

Hg · 11th Apr 2008, 10:17

I have just made the move from AMD to Intel for the first time in my life, as AMD have had alot of bad press these days and there chips dont seem to be able to match any core 2 in the same price bracket.
I purchused a Q9450 and boy its fast and overclocking it is a dream, I just hope AMDs next gen processors will change offer a bit more, as the Core 2 is so good atm and untill AMD go back to the drawing board, they wont have anything that can touch Intel

badders · 11th Apr 2008, 10:37

Great Article Bindi.
One thing - Last page, 2nd Paragraph. Shouldn't that be "Unobtainable"?

Looks like AMD are slowly coming back to the market. Sure, they were never really out of it, what with the K8's being such good value for money, but now they're a real viable alternative to intel instead of being the budget boys.

Woodstock · 11th Apr 2008, 11:19

hope you have an overclocking article up soon, half tempted to get one, might have to start looking at am2+ motherboards

Bindibadgi · 11th Apr 2008, 11:22

I can't see myself doing an overclocking article soon sorry.

[USRF]Obiwan · 11th Apr 2008, 11:28

All the "black beauty" worshipping aside, the E8500 is still the best bang for the bucks. It is such a bang that they are out of stock everywhere. All those Phenoms taking dust at the shopshelfs and then saying they are "more available then Intel procs" is a joke. IT only proves that they are not wanted. I say let them have a 25% lower pricetag and maybe then we see some less dusty phenom boxes on the shopshelfs.

And no, I am not a Intel fanboy, all 939 AMD x2's in my house.

Jar of Almonds · 11th Apr 2008, 11:29

Great article! Have you tried using the 1002 BIOS for the ASUS M3A32-MVP? It is supposed to add greater support for the B3's.... how it does that I don't know, just going by what ASUS described.

Journeyer · 11th Apr 2008, 11:41

I'll re-read this review as a get home later today, but it seems an excellent read and I've just skimmed it quickly.

I got my own Phenom 9850 the other day - it lived for 12 hours and I have no idea what killed it.
But I'm starting to suspect that my DFI NF590-SLI is the perpetrator, even though DFI's website states that with the latest bios Phenoms are fully supported on this board. Strange.

My dead Phenom is now on its way to be replaced. Hopefully the new one will live and let me play with it a lot. Cooling, at least, is not something I'm worried about.

Woodstock · 11th Apr 2008, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

I can't see myself doing an overclocking article soon sorry.

not even a set of results? (what i ment but i wasnt vey clear)

Jipa · 11th Apr 2008, 12:06

So the Phenoms are KINDA viable choice for people looking for a quad. And after all they seem to shine on synthetical benchmarks

If only they were atleast on par in power consumption and wouldn't suck so tremendously on the overclocking side of things...

Bindibadgi · 11th Apr 2008, 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodstock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

I can't see myself doing an overclocking article soon sorry.

not even a set of results? (what i ment but i wasnt vey clear)

I might do and I'd love to (I see the value in one), but I've just got soooo much work on at the moment I'm working to catch up. We'd rather spend time getting whole articles better, than many half assed.

If I was going to do one I'd do a 9850E, Q6600 G0 and E8400 overclocking together.

We appreciate the kind comments from you all too!

It's making a happier what was otherwise crap and frustrating Friday (Yay for Nvidia 790i Ultra SLI)

Ending Credits · 11th Apr 2008, 12:32

My 9500 sucked massively so I'm going to look into a 9850 BE.

stoff3r · 11th Apr 2008, 12:54

as every person on earth will want to run the intel q6600 on 333x9 speeds i think it would be interesting to see how it compares with the rest. you allways say it's the clocks that matter, and i really think the q6600 would outperform the lot if it's true potential is used.

Matticus · 11th Apr 2008, 13:43

Thank god I went for the e8200 and clocked it to 3.4ghz instead of going for a phenom based system. I only use my PC for work, games and some coding, so I think I would be in tears right now if I had bought the phenom over my wolfdale.

Its pretty disapointing that AMD dont seem to be competing, although intel seem to still be pushing forward and they arent charging stupid amounts, so maybe they dont need any real competition to just plod along nicely.

wiak · 11th Apr 2008, 16:26

me redirects you to
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=183025
Tony got his 9850 at 3.4ghz stable with water

Jipa · 11th Apr 2008, 17:02

(Beware of a poor pun)

Well that's a phenomenal OC for a Phenom. If only they usually did that. Or even 3 GHz for that matter.

Goty · 11th Apr 2008, 17:25

I think the problem for AMD right not is that their 65nm process simply isn't that good. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as Intel's was during the Preshott era, but it still leaks too much current and it simply doesn't provide for the high clockspeeds that AMD needs with the K10 architecture.

11th Apr 2008, 07:05	#1
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11th Apr 2008, 07:37	#2
Amon inch-perfect Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: cannoning into the reds, Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,456	Quality review as expected of bit-tech. I like how you coloured the bar graphs. Much easier to follow, I find. Having said that, it would be nice if you guys inserted the truncated processor titles inside the bars on page 9's "composite scores"; there's sufficient space for that. And the colour key seems to be off for that chart as well Anyway, I've been anticipating the arrival of these chips for a little while, as a try-and-see alternative to the Q6600. and.... it's got a turbo! FFFFFRRRRRrrrooooo... PSSHHHHHTCH~!! __________________ Defunct Socket 939 San Diego 4000+::2GB PC3200::Radeon 9600 SE 128MB::200GB HDD::24" Dell 2407WFP-HC::WinXP x64/x86 dual boot Dell Vostro 1500 laptop::Socket P Merom T7100::2GB PC5400::Go 8600m GT 256MB::660GB HDD::15.4" WXGA+, 24" Dell 2407WFP-HC::WinXP::Fanatec 911 Wheel+Pedals Last edited by Amon; 11th Apr 2008 at 07:42.

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[USRF]Obiwan Ultramodder Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,220	All the "black beauty" worshipping aside, the E8500 is still the best bang for the bucks. It is such a bang that they are out of stock everywhere. All those Phenoms taking dust at the shopshelfs and then saying they are "more available then Intel procs" is a joke. IT only proves that they are not wanted. I say let them have a 25% lower pricetag and maybe then we see some less dusty phenom boxes on the shopshelfs. And no, I am not a Intel fanboy, all 939 AMD x2's in my house. __________________ Mascleta: "The most accurate simulation of thunder, humans can simulate..." The answer is 42, so... whats the question again? If you know what 'Peek' and 'Poke' represents, then you are probably as old as me.

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Jar of Almonds Minimodder Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Dartmouth, Nova Scotia Posts: 22	Great article! Have you tried using the 1002 BIOS for the ASUS M3A32-MVP? It is supposed to add greater support for the B3's.... how it does that I don't know, just going by what ASUS described. __________________ Some days you're the fly. Other days you're the windshield.

11th Apr 2008, 11:41	#11
Journeyer Ultramodder Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 1,095	I'll re-read this review as a get home later today, but it seems an excellent read and I've just skimmed it quickly. I got my own Phenom 9850 the other day - it lived for 12 hours and I have no idea what killed it. But I'm starting to suspect that my DFI NF590-SLI is the perpetrator, even though DFI's website states that with the latest bios Phenoms are fully supported on this board. Strange. My dead Phenom is now on its way to be replaced. Hopefully the new one will live and let me play with it a lot. Cooling, at least, is not something I'm worried about. __________________ When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth. MSI 790FX-GD70 \|\| PhenomII X4 955 \|\| 8Gb Crucial DDR3 1333Mhz \|\| Gigabyte GTX285\|\| OCZ EliteXstream 1KW Last edited by Journeyer; 11th Apr 2008 at 12:02.

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Jipa Licenced idiot. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 3,063	So the Phenoms are KINDA viable choice for people looking for a quad. And after all they seem to shine on synthetical benchmarks If only they were atleast on par in power consumption and wouldn't suck so tremendously on the overclocking side of things... __________________ Abit IP35 - E6750 - 8800GT 1024 MB - 2 GB 800 MHz - enough HDDs - 750 W Silverstone - CM Storm Sniper Asus P5Q-VM - Q9450 - 4 GB - 400 W Silverstone - Fortress FT01 AllTheMods - MetkuMods - LedCalc

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stoff3r Multimodder Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 86	as every person on earth will want to run the intel q6600 on 333x9 speeds i think it would be interesting to see how it compares with the rest. you allways say it's the clocks that matter, and i really think the q6600 would outperform the lot if it's true potential is used.

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wiak Modder Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 62	me redirects you to http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=183025 Tony got his 9850 at 3.4ghz stable with water __________________ AMD Phenom 9850 Blacky Edition Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-DS5 Sapphire Radeon HD 4870 512MB OCZ Gold PC6400 4GB Dual Channel, VelociRaptor 150GB Corsair 620HX (12v=3x18A, +3.3v=24A, +5=24A)

11th Apr 2008, 17:02	#19
Jipa Licenced idiot. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tampere, Finland Posts: 3,063	(Beware of a poor pun) Well that's a phenomenal OC for a Phenom. If only they usually did that. Or even 3 GHz for that matter. __________________ Abit IP35 - E6750 - 8800GT 1024 MB - 2 GB 800 MHz - enough HDDs - 750 W Silverstone - CM Storm Sniper Asus P5Q-VM - Q9450 - 4 GB - 400 W Silverstone - Fortress FT01 AllTheMods - MetkuMods - LedCalc

11th Apr 2008, 17:25	#20
Goty Supermodder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Dacula, GA USA Posts: 302	I think the problem for AMD right not is that their 65nm process simply isn't that good. It's certainly nowhere near as bad as Intel's was during the Preshott era, but it still leaks too much current and it simply doesn't provide for the high clockspeeds that AMD needs with the K10 architecture.