AMD releases roadmap to 2010 - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 9th May 2008, 10:32

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/05...dmap-to-2010/1

AMD has released a roadmap detailing its plans for the server and workstation market up to 2010, and there's some drool-worthy new tech on its way.

Cptn-Inafinus · 9th May 2008, 10:53

I am not buying another PC till 2010!

I really hope this gets AMD back in the spotlight again. With the quite frank failure of Phenom, it would be great to have AMD getting a slice of the market cheesecake.

Goty · 9th May 2008, 11:11

This is all well and good, but desktop performance isn't dependent on the number of cores as much as server performance is. I know that AMD's cash cows are the server and HPC markets, but this article kind of makes it seem like AMD is ignoring the desktop segment altogether (assuming this is a complete roadmap, that is).

Cupboard · 9th May 2008, 11:39

I really hope that they can keep going for that long, and the it isn't as much of a flop as Phenom was.
There is nothing too badly wrong with Phenom but when compared to the competition that aren't so good.

Panos · 9th May 2008, 11:44

Ignoring the market? Why not? There aren't any desktop software to utilize their technologies?
At least in Server and workstation market the software exist to make a phenom times better than the Intel products.

One note. Recently we expand out design team and got three Phenoms 9650. We use Planit Fusion and Virtual Worlds.
In the same office we had two Q6600 for the to other employees.
I run some tests and the findings were impressive. Rendering in both systems, the Phenoms hit 100% on all four cores.
The Intel quads only cores 2 and 3 hit 100%. The other two kick in when the user start doing something else.
I check the systems very close and I didn't found something to create such behave.
Leaving idle the systems and let them do rendering the Phenoms finish it in 2/3 of the time the Intel ones need!

Keep in mind the companies creating the apps are using multi threading code.

Gareth Halfacree · 9th May 2008, 11:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panos

One note. Recently we expand out design team and got three Phenoms 9650. We use Planit Fusion and Virtual Worlds.
In the same office we had two Q6600 for the to other employees.
I run some tests and the findings were impressive. Rendering in both systems, the Phenoms hit 100% on all four cores.
The Intel quads only cores 2 and 3 hit 100%. The other two kick in when the user start doing something else.
I check the systems very close and I didn't found something to create such behave.
Leaving idle the systems and let them do rendering the Phenoms finish it in 2/3 of the time the Intel ones need!

Interesting. Did you check the processor affinity settings for the application on the Intel box? I know that Windows can get confuzzled in a multiple-core environment sometimes.

SlickGnome · 9th May 2008, 12:51

/drool... A couple of 12 core dual Proc servers and a San in the basement with a Fiber internet connect and I'm in business... Guess I need to get a 3rd full time job to pay for tht one...

loler · 9th May 2008, 13:47

lol AMD mentions products, products and more new products and they don't have money for even 1 of them, by the time they reach 12 cores intel has 16-18 lol with an arquitecture that works

Glider · 9th May 2008, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by loler

lol AMD mentions products, products and more new products and they don't have money for even 1 of them, by the time they reach 12 cores intel has 16-18 lol with an arquitecture that works

Do you have ANY facts to back up those statements?

Anyway, I stopped being impressed by paper releases and roadmaps a long time ago. I'll go cheer when the first 6 or 12 core CPUs are popped in one of the servers I administrate...

Drexial · 9th May 2008, 14:48

"Randy Allen, the vice president of AMD's Server and Workstation division"

I don't think any announcements from this guy would involve home computing. Its not that the home market is being ignored, its just that division wasn't involved in this particular announcement. When the head of the Sony PS segment makes an announcement you don't question why he didn't comment on their TV division.

I really feel that AMD had never let one segment get too far ahead of the other. So a long with these, I think AMD will have plenty of advancements to tie right along with their server focus. Far more home PCs are sold then servers. But I also feel that right now AMD has to focus on where it can attack a market and increase profits more effectively. I think this is right where they should be aiming right now. Let them reassure people they aren't rolling over with Intel. Once they prove they can gain some market share in servers then they will make a hard push in the home PC market.

I just hope they can remain competitive. Because with the latest from VIA, it seems they will be taking a huge chunk of market share from AMD with their new low power CPUs for UMPCs. While I don't mind VIA getting headway, they really aren't rounded enough to be considered a true head to head competitor with Intel. This clash wouldn't really result in the true freedom of choice that a competitive market needs to promote advancements in technology.

Shielder · 9th May 2008, 14:49

Ditto Glider. AMD has always performed well in the FP calculations that we require. We won't know what the power of the processors will be like in 2010, so we'll just have to wait and see.

Andy

loler · 9th May 2008, 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glider

Quote:

Originally Posted by loler

lol AMD mentions products, products and more new products and they don't have money for even 1 of them, by the time they reach 12 cores intel has 16-18 lol with an arquitecture that works

Do you have ANY facts to back up those statements?

Anyway, I stopped being impressed by paper releases and roadmaps a long time ago. I'll go cheer when the first 6 or 12 core CPUs are popped in one of the servers I administrate...

Look at their financial reports they are losing alot of money plus key personel, I also found the same statement I said in this article

http://www.custompc.co.uk/news/60251...o-compete.html

pure coincidence? i don't think so

HourBeforeDawn · 9th May 2008, 22:43

well this is good, and also does that mean unlike DDR2 that DDR3 will have a much longer life/shelf span? I mean DDR3 came out so quick that they could have stretched out DDR2 for much longer them they did like with the jump from DDR to DDR2 at least thats how I see it.

Either way I really hope this does bring AMD back to level or top of the hill.

LordPyrinc · 10th May 2008, 00:15

Huh... nice link... but if I may... the article is centered around an interview with "Nvidia’s chief scientist, David Kirk". Don't you think the article might be a tad biased????

Personally, I don't think AMD is in all that much trouble. People leaving the leaving the company can be a good thing. Sometimes, you get an influx of fresh minds and ways of thinking when the old war dogs leave. I look forward to what AMD has to offer in the future.

BTW - Every PC I have owned has had an Intel processor.

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Shielder Live long & prosper! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Northwich, UK Posts: 516	Ditto Glider. AMD has always performed well in the FP calculations that we require. We won't know what the power of the processors will be like in 2010, so we'll just have to wait and see. Andy __________________ New Rig: GA-X38-DS5, Q6600 (running at stock until I get everything installed), 8GB OCZ RAM (not sure on timings), Inno3D 8800 GTS 512, Noctua NH-U12P heat sink, Hiper Type M 580, 4 HDDs, 2 opticals, Saitek Eclipse II keyboard, Sharkoon Rush gaming mouse, Samsung 2220WM monitor, running XP SP2 (32-bit), Vista HP (x64) and Fedora 9 Beta (x86-64).

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HourBeforeDawn a.k.a KazeModz Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cali, USA Posts: 1,796	well this is good, and also does that mean unlike DDR2 that DDR3 will have a much longer life/shelf span? I mean DDR3 came out so quick that they could have stretched out DDR2 for much longer them they did like with the jump from DDR to DDR2 at least thats how I see it. Either way I really hope this does bring AMD back to level or top of the hill. __________________ Current Rig: RubyRED • Lian-Li A05B • (2) Swiftech 220 Radiators • (2) D5 Variable Pumps • (2) Res • and a whole lot of modding • Retired Rig: Project F.E.A.R. • TT Lanbox Lite • Swiftech H2O-120 • Q6600 G0 OC@3.6ghz • 2900XT • 4gb SuperTalent Memory •

9th May 2008, 11:11	#3
Goty Supermodder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Dacula, GA USA Posts: 302	This is all well and good, but desktop performance isn't dependent on the number of cores as much as server performance is. I know that AMD's cash cows are the server and HPC markets, but this article kind of makes it seem like AMD is ignoring the desktop segment altogether (assuming this is a complete roadmap, that is).

9th May 2008, 11:44	#5
Panos Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 73	Ignoring the market? Why not? There aren't any desktop software to utilize their technologies? At least in Server and workstation market the software exist to make a phenom times better than the Intel products. One note. Recently we expand out design team and got three Phenoms 9650. We use Planit Fusion and Virtual Worlds. In the same office we had two Q6600 for the to other employees. I run some tests and the findings were impressive. Rendering in both systems, the Phenoms hit 100% on all four cores. The Intel quads only cores 2 and 3 hit 100%. The other two kick in when the user start doing something else. I check the systems very close and I didn't found something to create such behave. Leaving idle the systems and let them do rendering the Phenoms finish it in 2/3 of the time the Intel ones need! Keep in mind the companies creating the apps are using multi threading code.

9th May 2008, 12:51	#7
SlickGnome Minimodder Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: BKAC Posts: 46	/drool... A couple of 12 core dual Proc servers and a San in the basement with a Fiber internet connect and I'm in business... Guess I need to get a 3rd full time job to pay for tht one...

9th May 2008, 13:47	#8
loler What's a Dremel? Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 7	lol AMD mentions products, products and more new products and they don't have money for even 1 of them, by the time they reach 12 cores intel has 16-18 lol with an arquitecture that works

9th May 2008, 14:48	#10
Drexial Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 297	"Randy Allen, the vice president of AMD's Server and Workstation division" I don't think any announcements from this guy would involve home computing. Its not that the home market is being ignored, its just that division wasn't involved in this particular announcement. When the head of the Sony PS segment makes an announcement you don't question why he didn't comment on their TV division. I really feel that AMD had never let one segment get too far ahead of the other. So a long with these, I think AMD will have plenty of advancements to tie right along with their server focus. Far more home PCs are sold then servers. But I also feel that right now AMD has to focus on where it can attack a market and increase profits more effectively. I think this is right where they should be aiming right now. Let them reassure people they aren't rolling over with Intel. Once they prove they can gain some market share in servers then they will make a hard push in the home PC market. I just hope they can remain competitive. Because with the latest from VIA, it seems they will be taking a huge chunk of market share from AMD with their new low power CPUs for UMPCs. While I don't mind VIA getting headway, they really aren't rounded enough to be considered a true head to head competitor with Intel. This clash wouldn't really result in the true freedom of choice that a competitive market needs to promote advancements in technology.

10th May 2008, 00:15	#14
LordPyrinc Legomaniac Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: USA Posts: 256	Huh... nice link... but if I may... the article is centered around an interview with "Nvidia’s chief scientist, David Kirk". Don't you think the article might be a tad biased???? Personally, I don't think AMD is in all that much trouble. People leaving the leaving the company can be a good thing. Sometimes, you get an influx of fresh minds and ways of thinking when the old war dogs leave. I look forward to what AMD has to offer in the future. BTW - Every PC I have owned has had an Intel processor. __________________ HP Pavilion Elite m9040n PC - Vista Home Premium Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 @ 2.40ghz - 3G of RAM - Dual 320G HDs Upgrades/Add-ons: 22" Widescreen LCD, 700W RocketFish PSU, BFG GeForce 9800 GT 160G Ext USB HD, Logitech X-540 5.1 Surround Sound Speakers