Ubisoft caught in Assassin's Creed marketing war - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 12th May 2008, 11:07

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/05...arketing-war/1

Ever since the release of Assassin's Creed on the PC, there has been a controversy brewing over its support for DX10.1.

LeMaltor · 12th May 2008, 11:13

Just don't patch the game if you want DX 10.1?

Tim S · 12th May 2008, 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMaltor

Just don't patch the game if you want DX 10.1?

That is an option of course, but if you want to keep your software up to date as there may be performance improvements, image quality improvements or bug fixes... which of course you won't get with the unpatched version of the game. And that frankly sucks IMHO.

steveo_mcg · 12th May 2008, 11:33

I'm a bit confused, if you have a dx10 gfx card an 8800 series for example can you play this with dx10 or are you stuck at dx9?

CardJoe · 12th May 2008, 11:37

You can play it in DX10 with an 8800, but you can't get DX10.1 enhancements like AA - the card doesn't support it. High end ATi cards do though.

steveo_mcg · 12th May 2008, 11:46

thanks. Wasn't sure if the dx10 incremental updates were backwards compatible, dunno why since dx9 was

Baz · 12th May 2008, 11:53

blackerthanblack · 12th May 2008, 12:01

There are many was to apply your influence without actually spending money directly on incentives. It's hard to see how it's too difficult to make the patch selective to either nvidia or ati hardware, and either apply or leave out dx10.1? Failing that, why not just make 2 patches available, for either ati or nvidia cards?

koola · 12th May 2008, 12:03

Just another reason to get a console. None of this DX10/.1 rubbish.

DXR_13KE · 12th May 2008, 12:10

remembers me when i wanted to patch GTA:SA but i still wanted the hot coffee stuff in it!

and i think it is time for nvidia to make DX10.1 graphic cards....

bowman · 12th May 2008, 12:17

Haha koola. And in return you get visuals that belong in the 90's along with texture popup enough to drive the sanest man to the institution, along with framerates that belong on gameboys and 720p resolutions stretched to 1080p...

I'll stick with my PC.

frontline · 12th May 2008, 12:31

hmm, seems a bit strange that the developers remove a significant benefit for one set of graphics card owners, rather than concentrate on identifying how performance can be improved for Nvidia cards. Surely it would have been better to wait until a patch was ready to fix the problem, without hobbling performance on Ati cards? "Stability problems" sounds suitably vague enough for them to completely remove DX10.1 support.

Oh well, another title to ignore until they re-introduce proper support for my card.

coolius · 12th May 2008, 12:36

I hope they sort out the stability issues, my game keeps crashing after an hour or so on my 88gt

The Infamous Mr D · 12th May 2008, 14:44

If it isn't a conspiracy between NVIDIA and Ubisoft, then it's one hell of a convenient coincidence.

And judging from the lack of any definitive information, it does come across as being very suspicious and deceitful from both NVIDIA and Ubisoft.

Cptn-Inafinus · 12th May 2008, 15:11

I really do think there is some foul play from Nvidia going on here.

And it really does undermine my confidence in them. As aforementioned, this is <b>no/b> sense what so ever in holding back advances in technology alike this.

HourBeforeDawn · 12th May 2008, 16:40

they need to or I should say they better release to types of updates then those who want to keep 10.1 and those whos hardware cant support it, if they cut it completely and the updates dont have it then that will be complete BS.

chrisb2e9 · 12th May 2008, 19:12

if they can take out the 10.1 why not just add a check so that is a nvidia card is detected is disables the 10.1 and leaves it in if an ati card is detected?
Considering the work to take out 10.1 it shouldn't be much trouble to add that.

koola · 12th May 2008, 20:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by bowman

Haha koola. And in return you get visuals that belong in the 90's along with texture popup enough to drive the sanest man to the institution, along with framerates that belong on gameboys and 720p resolutions stretched to 1080p...

I'll stick with my PC.

You must be talking about a Wii, I said console

Mentai · 12th May 2008, 22:58

Seen the pop in of any UT3 engine title/GTA4 on 360? Also hardly any games being allowed above 30fps...

CowBlazed · 13th May 2008, 00:34

How could he possibly be talking about a Wii, that can only do max 480P, no hes talking about 360s and PS3s with 720p to 1080p stretching and lack of memory compared to a PC, making for lots of pop in.

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blackerthanblack Multimodder Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Fife Posts: 209	There are many was to apply your influence without actually spending money directly on incentives. It's hard to see how it's too difficult to make the patch selective to either nvidia or ati hardware, and either apply or leave out dx10.1? Failing that, why not just make 2 patches available, for either ati or nvidia cards? __________________ There is so a spoon

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The Infamous Mr D Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 80	If it isn't a conspiracy between NVIDIA and Ubisoft, then it's one hell of a convenient coincidence. And judging from the lack of any definitive information, it does come across as being very suspicious and deceitful from both NVIDIA and Ubisoft.

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