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CardJoe · 23rd May 2008, 08:13

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/05...oop-database/1

The UK government has revealed plans to build a database containing information on all electronic communications made by its citizens over the last twelve months.

Jipa · 23rd May 2008, 08:20

Not long ago I saw a short video that said there are over 6 million security cameras in the UK and some already talk back the the pedestrians if they drop litter or something. And now this. Kinda makes me wanna watch V for Vendetta again... "One crazy police state on the way, please wait up."

Almightyrastus · 23rd May 2008, 08:26

Have a read of Ben Elton's Blind Faith, a database on everyone and everything is one of the core parts of the whole story with the story's protaganist job being to work out different way to corrolate and track the data to predict what people will do and buy.

I laughed at the time but now.........

DAVEtheRAVE · 23rd May 2008, 08:28

what a waste of storage space and power, isnt the government trying to be green??

BioSniper · 23rd May 2008, 08:43

The sad thing is, dont bills like this have the ability to be simply implemented without vote of it is in the "interest of national security/counter terrorism" ?

Silver51 · 23rd May 2008, 08:44

Time to break out those Cold War code phrases in your emails.

"The Red Herring flies at night!" oh... wait.

Ryu_ookami · 23rd May 2008, 08:48

so who will be the first to start sending out the bulk emails with trigger words in them you know words like "kill" + "assassinate" etc etc just to see how much extra work you can cause someone

yakyb · 23rd May 2008, 08:49

it will only get leaked at some point

BlackMage23 · 23rd May 2008, 09:08

the goverment keep using the terrorism excuse to continue to erode any rights we have. Soon you wont be able to go to the tolet without the goverment knowing about it. Its just another way that they can try to control the population that works for them makeing sure that we pay our taxes to cover all their 'expences'.
They all know that they wont really stop the criminals. You only have to look at the fact that the UK has 1% of the worlds population and 40% of the worlds CCTV cameras and yet crime is not going down at all.

Anyway, I think that is enough of a rant for now.

liratheal · 23rd May 2008, 09:08

Remember remember the fifth of November.

Or.. Something.

I'll be laughing my little toes off when they screw it up and publish the info on a live website.

sotu1 · 23rd May 2008, 09:32

efficacy, that's a good new word to me, i like it.

Gareth, point of criticism, i find there's too many external links for my liking. it's distracting when i want to just read the article. I don't feel all of them are really neccessary. The link to Google Apps? That's starting to look more like subtle advertising Google have paid for!

back on topic, what's the best way to stop this from happening? The recording of EVERYTHING is just unneccessary. I can kinda understand trying to get data on terrorists and genuinely prevalent issues, but 99% of calls are totally innocent. It's too big-brother-esque.

Gareth Halfacree · 23rd May 2008, 09:39

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Originally Posted by sotu1

Gareth, point of criticism, i find there's too many external links for my liking. it's distracting when i want to just read the article. I don't feel all of them are really neccessary. The link to Google Apps? That's starting to look more like subtle advertising Google have paid for!

Criticism noted, although I respectfully disagree. The links are there to provide additional information (especially in the cases of information which could be seen as anti-government, which is backed up with links to mainstream media stories and/or links to the relevant information on government websites), and the Google Apps link is in case the reader doesn't know what Google Apps is. I'd rather provide the links and have people not click on them than not provide the links and stand accused of providing unverified information.

And I can assure you that Google pay me nothing for linking to their site, worst luck. Although if anyone at Google is reading this, PayPal is acceptable.

Paradigm Shifter · 23rd May 2008, 09:46

Well, if we're very lucky, due to Labour losing the Crewe by-election, they'll turn on their supposed 'leader' and effectively commit suicide. Just wait until they lose a disc containing hundreds of thousands of people's personal de... oh, wait, sorry, that already happened. Or screw over their traditional voter base by scrapping the basic tax rate... oh, sorry, they've done that, too.

steveo_mcg · 23rd May 2008, 09:53

Yeah once the torries get in this idea will just disappear in smoke

read understand enjoy... life imitates art, and tbh these ideas are far from new and have lived over many governments

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_(Yes_Minister)

Paradigm Shifter · 23rd May 2008, 10:11

No, the Tories are no better, and neither are the Liberal Democrats. What we need is a hung Parliament where no party has a large enough majority to just be able to force nonsense like this through. However, our voting system pretty much guarantees that it's two-party politics swinging from one extreme to the other, so until the voting system is changed to something like Proportional Representation, it's never going to change.

Chances are that it would never change anyway, though.

steveo_mcg · 23rd May 2008, 10:19

Minority governments and PR aren't all there cracked up to be tbh, nothing ever gets done due to party politics always trying to one up each other. Just look at the farse that the SNP government is causing up here. Your right it does temper the individual parties but it doesn't really provide an environment for change or reform just stagnation and stupid party politics which rarely benefit the populace. Any large projects like this would still get through because the opposition doesn't want to be seen to be weak on national security.

freedom810 · 23rd May 2008, 10:58

OMG guys we just lost the Disc with everybodies personal data on! .............again.

Kode · 23rd May 2008, 11:09

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin/Richard Jackson, i believe that was quoted by someone in another thread some time ago, but it holds true, and makes me very angry that the government can get awaywith things like that. Gareth, how about putting any external links at the bottom of the article, so those interested can check them out, and those that only want to read the article dont get distracted? personally it doesnt bother me either way, just a suggestion.

Flibblebot · 23rd May 2008, 11:39

Do you really, really think that the government will be able to do something like this? Really?

Name me one government IT system that runs like it should, with 100% accurate data that came on time and on budget. Even easier, name me on government IT system that runs almost like it should, with 95% accurate data that came in slightly late and slightly over budget.

steveo_mcg · 23rd May 2008, 11:42

Which makes it worse. I think there is political willl for a system like this but their ability means it'll be several billion more expensive than the billions allocated, not fit for purpose and probably as porous as a win98 box.

23rd May 2008, 08:13	#1
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23rd May 2008, 08:20	#2
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23rd May 2008, 08:43	#5
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23rd May 2008, 08:48	#7
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23rd May 2008, 09:08	#9
BlackMage23 RPG Loving Freak Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Temple of Fiends Posts: 159	the goverment keep using the terrorism excuse to continue to erode any rights we have. Soon you wont be able to go to the tolet without the goverment knowing about it. Its just another way that they can try to control the population that works for them makeing sure that we pay our taxes to cover all their 'expences'. They all know that they wont really stop the criminals. You only have to look at the fact that the UK has 1% of the worlds population and 40% of the worlds CCTV cameras and yet crime is not going down at all. Anyway, I think that is enough of a rant for now. __________________ I am the Black Mage. I cast the spells that makes the peoples fall down!

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23rd May 2008, 09:32	#11
sotu1 Mini Love Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England, South of. Posts: 1,169	efficacy, that's a good new word to me, i like it. Gareth, point of criticism, i find there's too many external links for my liking. it's distracting when i want to just read the article. I don't feel all of them are really neccessary. The link to Google Apps? That's starting to look more like subtle advertising Google have paid for! back on topic, what's the best way to stop this from happening? The recording of EVERYTHING is just unneccessary. I can kinda understand trying to get data on terrorists and genuinely prevalent issues, but 99% of calls are totally innocent. It's too big-brother-esque. __________________ Death to consolification !!! [size=1]Give me my Windforce! I'm coming back!

23rd May 2008, 09:46	#13
Paradigm Shifter Lethargic Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,213	Well, if we're very lucky, due to Labour losing the Crewe by-election, they'll turn on their supposed 'leader' and effectively commit suicide. Just wait until they lose a disc containing hundreds of thousands of people's personal de... oh, wait, sorry, that already happened. Or screw over their traditional voter base by scrapping the basic tax rate... oh, sorry, they've done that, too. __________________ Core i7 920 D0 @ 3.8GHz \| 6GB Corsair 1600MHz \| Gigabyte EX58-UD5 \| XFX 4870X2 2GB \| 4TB \| WUXGA

23rd May 2008, 09:53	#14
steveo_mcg What owl? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,996	Yeah once the torries get in this idea will just disappear in smoke read understand enjoy... life imitates art, and tbh these ideas are far from new and have lived over many governments http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_(Yes_Minister) __________________ No boom today, boom tomorrow... there's always a boom tomorrow.

23rd May 2008, 10:11	#15
Paradigm Shifter Lethargic Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,213	No, the Tories are no better, and neither are the Liberal Democrats. What we need is a hung Parliament where no party has a large enough majority to just be able to force nonsense like this through. However, our voting system pretty much guarantees that it's two-party politics swinging from one extreme to the other, so until the voting system is changed to something like Proportional Representation, it's never going to change. Chances are that it would never change anyway, though.

23rd May 2008, 10:19	#16
steveo_mcg What owl? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,996	Minority governments and PR aren't all there cracked up to be tbh, nothing ever gets done due to party politics always trying to one up each other. Just look at the farse that the SNP government is causing up here. Your right it does temper the individual parties but it doesn't really provide an environment for change or reform just stagnation and stupid party politics which rarely benefit the populace. Any large projects like this would still get through because the opposition doesn't want to be seen to be weak on national security. __________________ No boom today, boom tomorrow... there's always a boom tomorrow.

23rd May 2008, 10:58	#17
freedom810 Supermodder Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: UK, Worcestershire, Worcester Posts: 564	OMG guys we just lost the Disc with everybodies personal data on! .............again. __________________ Save My Mini city! Save my Industry!

23rd May 2008, 11:09	#18
Kode Multimodder Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Birmingham, UK Posts: 234	"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin/Richard Jackson, i believe that was quoted by someone in another thread some time ago, but it holds true, and makes me very angry that the government can get awaywith things like that. Gareth, how about putting any external links at the bottom of the article, so those interested can check them out, and those that only want to read the article dont get distracted? personally it doesnt bother me either way, just a suggestion. Last edited by Kode; 23rd May 2008 at 11:31. Reason: spacebar not working properly

23rd May 2008, 11:39	#19
Flibblebot Free from artificial flavourings Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here, right now Posts: 2,232	Do you really, really think that the government will be able to do something like this? Really? Name me one government IT system that runs like it should, with 100% accurate data that came on time and on budget. Even easier, name me on government IT system that runs almost like it should, with 95% accurate data that came in slightly late and slightly over budget. __________________ My uber-system: 66Mhz 486DX2, 8Mb RAM, 20Mb hard drive, 256 colour VGA adaptor (goes all the way up to 800x600!), keyboard AND serial mouse

23rd May 2008, 11:42	#20
steveo_mcg What owl? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,996	Which makes it worse. I think there is political willl for a system like this but their ability means it'll be several billion more expensive than the billions allocated, not fit for purpose and probably as porous as a win98 box. __________________ No boom today, boom tomorrow... there's always a boom tomorrow.