Nvidia helping to bring PhysX to ATi Cards - bit-tech.net Forums

CardJoe · 9th Jul 2008, 12:37

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/07...to-ati-cards/1

Developers at NGOHQ.com are getting Nvidia support to bring CUDA based PhysX to Radeon graphics cards.

Timmy_the_tortoise · 9th Jul 2008, 12:46

Why can't they all just agree on a standard, right now.

It'll making everything far better for us, and make the corporations far more respectable.

bowman · 9th Jul 2008, 12:55

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCL
http://www.khronos.org/news/press/re...ng_initiative/

In the mean time we're stuck.

p3n · 9th Jul 2008, 13:04

Can't wait for the GPU performance to be measured 'whilst xyz PPU operations' .. not

wuyanxu · 9th Jul 2008, 13:11

it's a good step towards unified system. but i don't understand why ATI isn't supporting those programmers

Jordan Wise · 9th Jul 2008, 13:23

i don't know why they all rant and rave about physx, from what i've seen of it i think the physics in the cryengine 2 blows it out of the water

K20 · 9th Jul 2008, 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by wuyanxu

it's a good step towards unified system. but i don't understand why ATI isn't supporting those programmers

AMD claim they won't support CUDA as it isn't open source.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan Wise

i don't know why they all rant and rave about physx, from what i've seen of it i think the physics in the cryengine 2 blows it out of the water

Because PhysX is on dedicated hardware?

Goty · 9th Jul 2008, 14:13

I wonder just how much "Help" NVIDIA is really going to be in this case?

sam.g.taylor · 9th Jul 2008, 15:18

Damn it, pleasestop using the wrong form of "its"!

http://www.cgl.uwaterloo.ca/~csk/its.html

Don't make me call the Punctuation Police...

Sebbo · 9th Jul 2008, 16:07

i say, all the more power to the Red Team (they always win ;-)). Seriously, if they can have both Havok and PhysX running on their cards, and they advertise it, it will only mean more sales and marketshare.
I bet they're feeling pretty smug though, having physics solutions owned by their competitors running on their cards while their competitors themselves are stuck on a single solution only :-P

Bauul · 9th Jul 2008, 16:17

He's right, you've got your apostrophes in the wrong please. "It's" is ALWAYS short hand for "It is", never for "It belongs to", unlike other nouns.

So you've written in the article "it looks like Nvidia is indulging in some cross brand tactics to promote it is PhysX API". Which just isn't accurate.

On topic though: a unified physics API would be rather nice, although to be honest has anyone seen PhysX actually do anything properly useful in any game, ever?

Timmy_the_tortoise · 9th Jul 2008, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bauul

On topic though: a unified physics API would be rather nice, although to be honest has anyone seen PhysX actually do anything properly useful in any game, ever?

I saw the tech demos....

.. They were pretty cool...

[USRF]Obiwan · 9th Jul 2008, 16:29

"the way its meant to be played" out....

Brulath · 9th Jul 2008, 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bauul

On topic though: a unified physics API would be rather nice, although to be honest has anyone seen PhysX actually do anything properly useful in any game, ever?

A unified method of performing general computing tasks on the graphics card would be more useful than having everyone use the same physics API; you wouldn't want another DirectX vs OpenGL scenario arising (where one completely dominates the other, for PC games at least). If nVidia makes CUDA an open-source specification and therefore allow all graphics card manufacturers to implement it we'd have a far better situation than if everyone adopted PhysX instead.

So I guess, in my opinion, the questioner is asking the wrong thing. Being forced to use a single proprietary platform for a wide array of things is generally a bad idea, but having an open specification for how to communicate with a graphics card to have it perform general computing tasks for you is a fantastic one.

Unifying the physics market would slow the advances it makes considerably; we've already seen that nVidia slows down with its technological progression when it's dominating the market =)

leexgx · 9th Jul 2008, 17:46

now both cards can run PhysX makes it an alot easyer to use it

BentAnat · 10th Jul 2008, 12:25

I must be honest and state that i don't get a number of business decisions made by AMD lately... my faith lies firmly with the green goblin.

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