News DirectX 11 optimises for multithreading and GPGPU

[Bindibadgi]

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08...ng-and-gpgpu/1

Kevin Unangst, Senior Global Director of Windows Gaming at Microsoft gives the low down of what we can expect the future to feature.

[ssj12]

any info on what windows 7 will be like? will it not be crap like Vista?

[koola]

I'd like some DX11 for Windows XP please Microsoft...

They better not make it exclusive to Win7 like DX to Vista.

[FeRaL]

"Resistance is futile"

Sorry had to do it...

I know a MS MVP, I'm gonna see if I can get inside details on Windows 7.

[500mph]

They won't. DX11 should be available for vista too iirc.

[GoodBytes]

@ssj12
Windows 7 is Vista.
Like XP was over Windows 2000 (witch is based on NT1 in 1993, where no one knew that a virus and spyware was)... Just minor improvements a few features.

BTW, Vista is not crap. Just that you have 1 person that complained on the internet that his 200$ Dell laptop that can barely run Windows XP can't run Windows Vista and has issues. And for some reason it spread faster than a virus could ever do.
If you get to use it, or browse this forum, you will see that a great majority of users that have Vista, loves it and don't want to turn back to XP.

[GoodBytes]

@koola, Vista can have an upgrade to DX11, but XP is finished.
As it was talked in many forum posts, DirectX10 is impossible to have it on the XP, unless you do a changes to the OS to a point to have it as Vista.

Vista offered a foundation same for DirectX10. That was established, and now Microsoft is developing (Windows 7, and Direct X11) on it.

[Narishma]

By consoles I suppose they mean Xbox?

[ComputerKing]

I want a date for the release ?! mean Q1 2009 Q2 2009 or what? can you get that info guys?

[Cupboard]

Originally Posted by GoodBytes

@ssj12
Windows 7 is Vista.

No, Windows 7 is the next version of Windows. So far, people have been saying it is what Vista should have been and can't come soon enough, but I will wait and see.

btw the news page doesn't seem to link here...

[dk-melgaard]

im loking foreward to the new windows.. it might be an upgrade worthy:/ vista wasnt!

[Timmy_the_tortoise]

MORE ports?

I can see a lot of people here being very unhappy with that.

[-EVRE-]

1.I Love vista, I need to get my current install upgraded to 64bit.
2. I'm very glad that consoles and PC's will be so close to each other in coding because it will mean more great titles for both. Developers will take advantage of the extra horsepower that PC's have to offer to make the game load faster, and look better.

cant wait for dx11, I'll get a new card

[Timmy_the_tortoise]

Originally Posted by -EVRE-

1.I Love vista, I need to get my current install upgraded to 64bit.

I love Vista too.. I think a lot of people have slow-down problems because of all the bloatware you get on OEM systems and laptops.. Plus all of the OEM systems which didn't have enough RAM (just 1GB) which were on sale when Vista was released initially, before 2GB was identified as an absolute minimum for Vista for reasonable performance.

A nice, clean install is much faster.

[LordPyrinc]

I am very happy with Vista. Runs great, no noticeable performance issues on my PC. I've had less than 10 blue screen crashes in the last 8 months and all but one happened during the Exit of one particular game that I play at least 4 days a week. This leads me to believe its a problem with that game and not Vista.

[Joeymac]

Yes Vista is much better than XP... Vista does need 2GB, but you can upgrade from a gig to 2gig for about £10. ANY dual core processor will run it fine and a DX10 graphics card to run aero (which is a must feature as far as I'm concerned - Window tearing should have been fixed a decade ago) can be got for £20-£30. Where is the problem! I would hardly say less than £50 of upgrades on a 3-4 year old machine is a problem.

[Rahneshin]

GoodBytes -
I completely and wholeheartedly agree. I've been running 64-bit Vista for 10 months now and haven't had any problems with it. I keep wondering what people who're complaining about Vista are talking about. My wife has XP on her system and in comparison to Vista it's, well, crap.
Some people just love to complain. I think it's a way of seeming discerning or something. Except, it's not.

[samkiller42]

Originally Posted by Joeymac

Yes Vista is much better than XP... Vista does need 2GB, but you can upgrade from a gig to 2gig for about £10. ANY dual core processor will run it fine and a DX10 graphics card to run aero (which is a must feature as far as I'm concerned - Window tearing should have been fixed a decade ago) can be got for £20-£30. Where is the problem! I would hardly say less than £50 of upgrades on a 3-4 year old machine is a problem.

You don't need a DX10 card to run aero either... I used to run Vista's aero on my old laptops geforce go 7300, which is far from DX10, and it was fine.
I have no issues with Vista, tis stable, and easy to use, my only concern (which is tiny) is i can't play Red Alert 2 over my network because it can't find the tcp/ipx protocol, and that's it. Vista works for me, so, if it ain't broke, don't fix it is what some say.

Sam

[Mentai]

In my mind Microsoft shot themselves in the foot with setting the minimum Vista specs too low. 512MB ram for basic. Good Lord that is ridicuously slow. Also people don't like the "are you sure?" security checks. I personally like to know what my system is doing though, and with 3gb of ram and a core 2 duo e8400, this computer runs with vista faster than any other computer I've used, so I think it's a good OS.
What's the beat windows 7 performs exactly the same but people will like it cause the low end hardware will have caught up.

[GoodBytes]

Originally Posted by Mentai

"are you sure?" security checks.

What "Are you sure..."? It says "Is it you that does it or a program that moved your mouse and sent a double click for you (something that can be easily done in Windows)
So that you don't have a malware/virus that access your system files, and if it tries to access it by moving your mouse and clicking, then you will be prompted and you can click on "cancel", and have Windows kill the application. And because the dialog box loads on a secure automatically generated account, the program can't send mouse movement or keyboard command for you to bypass it. Granted it's a bit excess and should have an option to have it only protect the system file and not the global account (so that when you delete a shortcut on the start menu, you don't have the UAC prompt). But hey you don't edit the start menu everyday.

I agree with Mentai, but showing the minimum system requirement surpass a game will be like Microsoft BOB that was in the old old days, it required so much power for the time that barely few people purchased it, and even thus now hardware cost has diminished significantly, it will be laugh out. And people will say "Is it worth it?". What Vista should had have is a system that detects your hardware and disables features that it judges not necessary at the moment your first start Windows (rendering the benchmark system/optimization it has more useful) and once done, give you a list of all the disabled features witch check marks to disable them, and enable other. Obviously this is technical, and probably should be in Vista Business and Ultimate edition only.
What Microsoft did bad is having a 32-bit version... granted that it would have been hard (remember that MS did not see all the complaining of Vista... as they did not release it), but assured that it's users would have proper computers and prevent people with 200$ Dell computer that can't even run XP smoothly say how crappy Vista is on it and of course, seriously push 64-bit applications and games. Moreover, as 32-bit was done at the last minute it had the most bugs, and because it was the default disk it came with Retail (except for Ultimate edition) edition of vista and OEMs choice, news didn't even report that problem is not in Vista 64-bit.

I hope Windows 7 will be 64-bit by default. If JUST seeing how crazy the performance is for videos using 64-bit codec on Vista with just Windows Media Player, I can't wiat to use all my software in 64-bit version, and a push to that technology is needed.