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CardJoe · 12th Aug 2008, 11:32

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08...g-goes-ahead/1

Despite last-minute setbacks that could have seen the project grounded, Rick Hill's Warballooning project launched on-schedule at this years Defcon hacker conference.

DarkReaper · 12th Aug 2008, 12:29

I was in Ohio for most of July and the host family I stayed with only had dial-up. Torturous, I tells ya.

Conveniently I'd picked up my new N95 8Gb just before I left, and it's amazing how many places had unsecured wifi. I could take a 5-minute walk through the suburbs and pass about half a dozen connections. A lot of churches and bars/restaurants seemed to have it too but they were usually secured

Mentai · 12th Aug 2008, 12:42

Sure I piggyback if my home connection isn't available. I figure the people who leave their connections open are probably not heavy internet users anyway, a website here and there is unlikely to affect them at all.

Timmy_the_tortoise · 12th Aug 2008, 12:56

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Originally Posted by Mentai

Sure I piggyback if my home connection isn't available. I figure the people who leave their connections open are probably not heavy internet users anyway, a website here and there is unlikely to affect them at all.

It's pretty stupid not to have it secured in the first place.

ParaHelix.org · 12th Aug 2008, 13:49

Well, what can be said, secure it or share it, simple.

mclean007 · 12th Aug 2008, 14:22

If you've got unlimited data allowance and proper protection between your own private computers and the unsecured access point, why not let people use it for free?

MrMonroe · 12th Aug 2008, 14:47

In other news, a third of wireless networks have nothing interesting or worth stealing attached to them anyway. We're talking about home networks for the most part here. Trying to steal something worthwhile from them would be like throwing darts at a board while blindfolded. You're only marginally likely to find something good, and it means driving around town with a laptop and stopping outside people's homes to dredge through their files. It's much more effective to crack open an encrypted network that you know protects something worth your time.

C-Sniper · 12th Aug 2008, 15:35

I am known to piggyback on networks and depending on how badly i need it (i.e emergency) i have been known piggyback on protected (WEP/WPA/WPA2) wifi to get my data across, but then i am off as soon as i am done.

Colt 45 J · 12th Aug 2008, 16:31

I admit I don't secure my wifi. The reason I don't... My house is too far away from any other house to have my wifi hacked, and if somebody wardrives its easy to see them outside my house...

p3n · 12th Aug 2008, 17:15

connections (just for browsing etc) don't necessarily have to be secure - espcially with captive portals etc...

mclean007 · 12th Aug 2008, 17:24

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Originally Posted by C-Sniper

I am known to piggyback on networks and depending on how badly i need it (i.e emergency) i have been known piggyback on protected (WEP/WPA/WPA2) wifi to get my data across, but then i am off as soon as i am done.

Yah, sure. What sort of "emergency" required you to break someone's WEP? You must be some kind of 1337 h4x0rz.

phuzz · 12th Aug 2008, 18:02

I'm always tempted to reconfigure and secure peoples connections, as most unsecured wifi connections tend to have default usernames and passwords on the router.
Our next door neighbours' wifi came in handy when our DSL was offline for a while, plus my DS can't cope with WPA encryption (WEP is far too easily crackable to be worth bothering with), so I use their connection for wireless play.

C-Sniper · 12th Aug 2008, 19:07

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Originally Posted by mclean007

Yah, sure. What sort of "emergency" required you to break someone's WEP? You must be some kind of 1337 h4x0rz.

When a grandma died and we needed plane tickets ASAP and we are at a house without internet. That is the only time i have done it. Other times i just use unsecured.

LAGMonkey · 12th Aug 2008, 19:22

to answer if i "borrow" bandwidth. Yes yes and a bit more yes assuming that im not at home and my service is dead. I have to spend a lot of time in hotels and in Oman the price of internet is staggering at times, so if i get the oppertunity i will.
Having said that im in the middle of setting up my access point and router to provide freebe (albeit limited) internet access for anyone who needs it and is in range of my house. Oh and i use a combination of WPA2 and PPTP VPN for my home wireless

Mr T · 12th Aug 2008, 22:28

I may have or may not renamed a few wireless networks when i was a student. They soon become secured once you rename them

Lazarus Dark · 13th Aug 2008, 00:31

when I lived in an apartment, I'd use the neighbors wifi for my laptop and Wii since I was too cheap and lazy to buy my own wireless router. I figure I'm paying for the cable internet, we all share the same freakin line (during peak hours it was ungodly slow), so whats the difference really if I use one of the 5(!) unprotected wifi signals in my building, it's all the same bandwidth.

ZERO <ibis> · 13th Aug 2008, 03:08

Unless they cut into my cat5 lines their not getting into network without a direct internet based attack.

ParaHelix.org · 22nd Aug 2008, 15:30

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Originally Posted by mclean007

Yah, sure. What sort of "emergency" required you to break someone's WEP? You must be some kind of 1337 h4x0rz.

Nevermind, he came up with some answer like "my grandmar died", bullshit, he sounds like one of these super uber leet 12 year old *crackers* who thinks he has cracked it by pressing the "Connect" button, protected? cracked? bull **** my friend.

ParaHelix.org · 22nd Aug 2008, 15:32

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Originally Posted by Mr T

I may have or may not renamed a few wireless networks when i was a student. They soon become secured once you rename them

Wow, my friend, I am honored to be in the presance of your UbEr L33TnEsS...not. Unsecured network, you log into the router (unsecured?) and change the name, OmFg L33t!

War-Rasta · 24th Nov 2008, 13:42

I used to piggyback off of some store's wifi back in 2005. I was working in Nantucket for the summer and I spent most of the time outside the house working so I wasn't gonna pay for internet if was only gonna use it a little bit at night. This little store next to my house has an unsecured connection that I used whenever I needed access. It was usually at night so the store was closed anyway.

I've done it some other times after that on different locations and for different reasons (I'm not gonna try to come up with an excuse for it, I just wanted Internet and I wanted it right that instant). I think that as long as you're not doing any harm like deleting people's files or the like you're not doing anything REALLY bad. If they don't protect their network they should be glad that all you're doing is browsing the net.

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Mentai Supermodder Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 493	Sure I piggyback if my home connection isn't available. I figure the people who leave their connections open are probably not heavy internet users anyway, a website here and there is unlikely to affect them at all.

12th Aug 2008, 13:49	#5
ParaHelix.org Supermodder Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 270	Well, what can be said, secure it or share it, simple.

12th Aug 2008, 14:47	#7
MrMonroe Multimodder Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 195	In other news, a third of wireless networks have nothing interesting or worth stealing attached to them anyway. We're talking about home networks for the most part here. Trying to steal something worthwhile from them would be like throwing darts at a board while blindfolded. You're only marginally likely to find something good, and it means driving around town with a laptop and stopping outside people's homes to dredge through their files. It's much more effective to crack open an encrypted network that you know protects something worth your time.

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Colt 45 J Aye Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SD, USA Posts: 60	I admit I don't secure my wifi. The reason I don't... My house is too far away from any other house to have my wifi hacked, and if somebody wardrives its easy to see them outside my house...

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p3n Hypermodder Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 737	connections (just for browsing etc) don't necessarily have to be secure - espcially with captive portals etc...

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phuzz Hypermodder Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 955	I'm always tempted to reconfigure and secure peoples connections, as most unsecured wifi connections tend to have default usernames and passwords on the router. Our next door neighbours' wifi came in handy when our DSL was offline for a while, plus my DS can't cope with WPA encryption (WEP is far too easily crackable to be worth bothering with), so I use their connection for wireless play.

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Lazarus Dark Supermodder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: US Memphis, TN Posts: 292	when I lived in an apartment, I'd use the neighbors wifi for my laptop and Wii since I was too cheap and lazy to buy my own wireless router. I figure I'm paying for the cable internet, we all share the same freakin line (during peak hours it was ungodly slow), so whats the difference really if I use one of the 5(!) unprotected wifi signals in my building, it's all the same bandwidth. __________________ My gun kata is greater than your kung fu.

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ZERO <ibis> Supermodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Atlanta Posts: 267	Unless they cut into my cat5 lines their not getting into network without a direct internet based attack. __________________ 965 @ 4.26GHz-P6T DELUXE-GTX 280@750&1307-DDR3 Triple Channel@1001 MHz-RAID 0 Cheta 15.6k SAS-All Water cooled IBIS GAMING

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War-Rasta Supermodder Join Date: May 2002 Location: Santo Domingo, Dom. Rep. Posts: 380	I used to piggyback off of some store's wifi back in 2005. I was working in Nantucket for the summer and I spent most of the time outside the house working so I wasn't gonna pay for internet if was only gonna use it a little bit at night. This little store next to my house has an unsecured connection that I used whenever I needed access. It was usually at night so the store was closed anyway. I've done it some other times after that on different locations and for different reasons (I'm not gonna try to come up with an excuse for it, I just wanted Internet and I wanted it right that instant). I think that as long as you're not doing any harm like deleting people's files or the like you're not doing anything REALLY bad. If they don't protect their network they should be glad that all you're doing is browsing the net. __________________ Proud member of WarNet Inc. WarNet Rulez!!