Dyack: "Epic defrauded the industry" - bit-tech.net Forums

CardJoe · 19th Aug 2008, 10:03

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08...the-industry/1

Silicon Knights boss Denis Dyack has accused Epic of defruading the games industry when promoting the Unreal Engine 3.

WILD9 · 19th Aug 2008, 10:10

I have no sympathy for epic based on their joining the pc gaming alliance before repeatedly slagging of pc gaming. I hope they lose for those reasons alone.

bowman · 19th Aug 2008, 10:28

Tim Sweeney is a twofaced treacherous *******, Cliffy B and all his other cronies are just as bad. They went to consoles so they could do halfassed, bland, boring games like gears of war and still have people crawling over them for it. Screw them, I hope they get them.

Mentai · 19th Aug 2008, 10:48

I liked Eternal Darkness... I'm on their side :P besides, I can't imagine them going to court over something like this unless they have substantial evidence, if they lose they'd probably be put into financial ruin...

Crunch77 · 19th Aug 2008, 11:05

@bowman: Nothing wrong with making games for consoles also- the most lucrative market there is at the moment.

[USRF]Obiwan · 19th Aug 2008, 11:20

Unreal engine sucks anyway...

adamc · 19th Aug 2008, 11:25

yeah Eternal Darkness was a sweet game... and if what SK are claiming is true, then the PC Gaming Alliance suffers another setback. With UE3, the engine being 'championed', and probably the most licensed, failing to provide proper documentation and support, developers are going to further struggle in an already inhospitable climate.

TommyVD · 19th Aug 2008, 11:47

Too bad the game blows...

liratheal · 19th Aug 2008, 11:57

This, coming from a company that's taken damn near ten years to get a game from announcement to release?

Yeah, I honestly don't care that they're incapable of releasing a game.

Hell, they've made a game that seems to be mostly a grindfest. I'm not sure where he's coming from with the 'misled developers' crap. Everyone else with the Unreal 3 Engine seems to have made a game with it. It seems to be quite capable of terrain destruction.

I don't see how it's Epics fault that they couldn't work the engine, sounds like a classic case of PEBKAC over actual engine flaws.

Doesn't help that the game seems to be a massive pile of suck :/

bowman · 19th Aug 2008, 12:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunch77

@bowman: Nothing wrong with making games for consoles also- the most lucrative market there is at the moment.

There is something wrong with making games for consoles when you've made the money you're spending on that console development on PC games over the years, to then go and develop console exclusives (the port scraps thrown to the PC a year later doesn't count) while simultaneously badmouthing the PC platform THAT THEY GREW ON in the worst of ways.

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/36390/118/

'Hi, yeah, if it wasn't for the PC and all the idiots who bought our games we never would've been around to do all these short, bland console games, we're still going to act as if that never happened, though.' Get lost.

Timmy_the_tortoise · 19th Aug 2008, 12:32

I couldn't care any less about SK, but I HATE Epic.. They're such dicks.

DarkLord7854 · 19th Aug 2008, 14:40

I actually am looking forward to Too Human. So good on them to sue Epic for being blatant arses

Ninja_182 · 19th Aug 2008, 15:41

DEATH TO EPIC

Twonks, they got me excited about every Unreal game since UT99 and they all blew.

simosaurus · 20th Aug 2008, 11:47

Dyack is full of ****...
obviously none of you have heard his visits to the 1up podcast where he goes on for 2 hours about social engineering.. and basically makes excuses for his games. 1up have been a supporter of Dyack but even they gave it a C-.

its impossible to re-write an engine in the time they talked about, flat out impossible. What they are actually trying to do is steal Epic's intellectual property and get 10+ years of engine technology for free by claiming they re-wrote it and that Epic breached contract.

and how convenient that the game should suck because it all re affirms their bullshit story.

**** SK!

wuyanxu · 20th Aug 2008, 12:10

no matter which side is correct, it seems Epic is in need of a managment and PR reform. talking crap and being sued.

19th Aug 2008, 10:03	#1
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19th Aug 2008, 10:28	#3
bowman Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 249	Tim Sweeney is a twofaced treacherous *******, Cliffy B and all his other cronies are just as bad. They went to consoles so they could do halfassed, bland, boring games like gears of war and still have people crawling over them for it. Screw them, I hope they get them.

19th Aug 2008, 10:48	#4
Mentai Supermodder Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Zealand Posts: 493	I liked Eternal Darkness... I'm on their side :P besides, I can't imagine them going to court over something like this unless they have substantial evidence, if they lose they'd probably be put into financial ruin...

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Crunch77 Minimodder Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 24	@bowman: Nothing wrong with making games for consoles also- the most lucrative market there is at the moment.

19th Aug 2008, 11:25	#7
adamc Modder Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 62	yeah Eternal Darkness was a sweet game... and if what SK are claiming is true, then the PC Gaming Alliance suffers another setback. With UE3, the engine being 'championed', and probably the most licensed, failing to provide proper documentation and support, developers are going to further struggle in an already inhospitable climate.

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simosaurus Supermodder Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 348	Dyack is full of **... obviously none of you have heard his visits to the 1up podcast where he goes on for 2 hours about social engineering.. and basically makes excuses for his games. 1up have been a supporter of Dyack but even they gave it a C-. its impossible to re-write an engine in the time they talked about, flat out impossible. What they are actually trying to do is steal Epic's intellectual property and get 10+ years of engine technology for free by claiming they re-wrote it and that Epic breached contract. and how convenient that the game should suck because it all re affirms their bullshit story. ** SK! __________________ lian-li v1000b 700GB RAID 0 Array X2 4800+ 7800 GTX SLi X-Fi FPS 24" dell Aqua Watercooling

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