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Tim S · 22nd Aug 2008, 18:51

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08...n-us-by-2050/1

IDF FALL 2008: Justin Rattner worryingly believes that machines have the potential to become more intelligent than humans by 2050.

RallyRoach · 22nd Aug 2008, 19:42

I for one welcome our new robot overlords...

chrisb2e9 · 22nd Aug 2008, 19:47

^lol

Lots of potential for good here, but Man being man i'm sure that there is even more potential for evil.

Glider · 22nd Aug 2008, 19:55

They already are a lot more intelligent then some people are right now... And that's even when they are turned off...

MajestiX · 22nd Aug 2008, 19:57

it should be a sooner date, they didn't factor in the decline of human intelligence. Don't know what's worse the media, the education system or the additives in the food.

s3v3n · 22nd Aug 2008, 20:10

What also isn't factored in is cybornetic implants, and preconception genetic alteration. Moral rights take a second seat when you are on the verge of being enslaved by sentinels.

ParaHelix.org · 22nd Aug 2008, 20:21

I have researched artificial intelligence (or A.I) many times over the years, but at the end of the day, these robots would have to defend their own power stations if they wanted to take over, or holy LaWd, *pulls the batteries out*. *AHAHAHA OMFG THEY GOT SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR HEAD!!!! RUN!!!! RUN FOR DARKNESS!!!!

ParaHelix.org · 22nd Aug 2008, 20:21

I suppose the entire topic depends on what you define as intelligence.

ParaHelix.org · 22nd Aug 2008, 20:27

Take over? motive people? anyone got any motive for these robots to "take over"? think they have evil human brains and one is gonna go all Nazi on us? I think people are watching iRobot too many times. If anything in the future (very distant future, havnt we only just invented robots that can stand up,,,and fall?) did happen then it would only be out very own initial programming that it would follow.

ParaHelix.org · 22nd Aug 2008, 20:28

AHHH GET THE EMP BOMBS READY!

Glider · 22nd Aug 2008, 20:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by s3v3n

What also isn't factored in is cybornetic implants, and preconception genetic alteration. Moral rights take a second seat when you are on the verge of being enslaved by sentinels.

Ignorance is bliss!

theevilelephant · 22nd Aug 2008, 20:52

im not as confident as he is. 42years is a long time in technological terms but for robots to truly become more intelligent than humans there have to be a few drastic changes. At the moment all these robots use fixed algorithms, they "learn" by analyzing and changing their data sets. We needs robots able to re-write their own algorithms, allowing to change the way they learn and actually learn new things, things their initial programming didnt cater for.

Yes the arm that goes mental for an apple while shouting odd things is a bit unnerving, but at the end of the day... dude its going mental.... over an APPLE. If that doesnt make you laugh untill it just looks pathetic instead of scary....

Anyway I will be fine my degree is in AI and Robotics so if robots kill you all they will be my robots. mwuahhahaha

Glider · 22nd Aug 2008, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by theevilelephant

dude its going mental.... over an APPLE.

Exactly my tought everytime I manage to get myself trapped in the Apple subforum...

I'll be good now

p3n · 22nd Aug 2008, 21:41

I doubt anything can pass as human until they work out quantum (light transistors) and even then it will need to be 'dynamic' to learn things in a 'human' way ... could be much less than 40 years could be much more...

DXR_13KE · 22nd Aug 2008, 21:43

i would love to get a cybernetic implant.... imagine accessing the internet any time and download knowledge about stuff almost instantly, like in the matrix. it is a shame that the other side of the coin is total annihilation....

Sebbo · 22nd Aug 2008, 22:12

not sure if he picked 2050 because of this, but...
there's this series of competitions for primary, high school and university (post-grad) students called Robocup, which has the ultimate goal of having a team of humanoid, fully autonomous robots play (and beat) the World Cup soccer winners by 2050... look around on youtube, there's some incredible stuff out already
in case you couldn't tell, this is a topic close to my heart ^_^

Liquid K9 · 22nd Aug 2008, 22:37

I have AI this year in college, Im looking forward to it. so much so I bought Artificial Intelligence: a modern approach in anticipation, so its fair to say this topic is close to my heart.

I fear politicians more than robots. Robots will never take over the world, no more than a child can control their parents entire lives. Sure they can whine until they make them go to the shops, but ultimately they are dependant on the parents. Thats how I see robots - our children.

Politics *have* put robots in the battlefield (UAV's for instance), Humanoid robots are the next step. I fear that a robot soldier, lacking compassion - or any human 'instinct' has no right being on the battlefield. For a start, it makes the entire concept of war even more ridiculous than it already is.

So yeah... robots COULD take over the world. but only if we allow it.

Im not convinced it would be a terrible thing in anycase

Arkanrais · 23rd Aug 2008, 03:15

yay, the technological singularity (wiki it).
I wouldn't mind getting rid of this meatbag of a body and having it replaced with some mirror polished alu and a few pointy and lasering appendages.
HALF SHARK, HALF ROBOT, ALL MAN!

The_Beast · 23rd Aug 2008, 03:25

I think it would be very cool to have a robot that can learn new things

johnmustrule · 23rd Aug 2008, 04:30

Acording to Moors law:

2015 A supercomputer will surpass average human intelligence
2050 A supercomputer will surpass the combined intellegenceof the human race and a 2000$ computer will surpass average human intelligence

I'll see if I can find a video of this later

22nd Aug 2008, 18:51	#1
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MajestiX Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 122	it should be a sooner date, they didn't factor in the decline of human intelligence. Don't know what's worse the media, the education system or the additives in the food.

22nd Aug 2008, 20:10	#6
s3v3n MMO Cold Turkey -fail Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 39	What also isn't factored in is cybornetic implants, and preconception genetic alteration. Moral rights take a second seat when you are on the verge of being enslaved by sentinels.

22nd Aug 2008, 20:21	#7
ParaHelix.org Supermodder Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 270	I have researched artificial intelligence (or A.I) many times over the years, but at the end of the day, these robots would have to defend their own power stations if they wanted to take over, or holy LaWd, pulls the batteries out. *AHAHAHA OMFG THEY GOT SOLAR PANELS ON THEIR HEAD!!!! RUN!!!! RUN FOR DARKNESS!!!!

22nd Aug 2008, 20:27	#9
ParaHelix.org Supermodder Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 270	Take over? motive people? anyone got any motive for these robots to "take over"? think they have evil human brains and one is gonna go all Nazi on us? I think people are watching iRobot too many times. If anything in the future (very distant future, havnt we only just invented robots that can stand up,,,and fall?) did happen then it would only be out very own initial programming that it would follow.

22nd Aug 2008, 20:28	#10
ParaHelix.org Supermodder Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 270	AHHH GET THE EMP BOMBS READY!

22nd Aug 2008, 20:52	#12
theevilelephant Bit-tech's Heffalump Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Aberystwyth Posts: 797	im not as confident as he is. 42years is a long time in technological terms but for robots to truly become more intelligent than humans there have to be a few drastic changes. At the moment all these robots use fixed algorithms, they "learn" by analyzing and changing their data sets. We needs robots able to re-write their own algorithms, allowing to change the way they learn and actually learn new things, things their initial programming didnt cater for. Yes the arm that goes mental for an apple while shouting odd things is a bit unnerving, but at the end of the day... dude its going mental.... over an APPLE. If that doesnt make you laugh untill it just looks pathetic instead of scary.... Anyway I will be fine my degree is in AI and Robotics so if robots kill you all they will be my robots. mwuahhahaha

22nd Aug 2008, 21:41	#14
p3n Hypermodder Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 736	I doubt anything can pass as human until they work out quantum (light transistors) and even then it will need to be 'dynamic' to learn things in a 'human' way ... could be much less than 40 years could be much more...

22nd Aug 2008, 22:12	#16
Sebbo Multimodder Join Date: May 2006 Location: Brissy, Australia Posts: 177	not sure if he picked 2050 because of this, but... there's this series of competitions for primary, high school and university (post-grad) students called Robocup, which has the ultimate goal of having a team of humanoid, fully autonomous robots play (and beat) the World Cup soccer winners by 2050... look around on youtube, there's some incredible stuff out already in case you couldn't tell, this is a topic close to my heart ^_^ __________________ If you and dead people know hex, how many people know hex? Obligitory PC spec's: Intel Core i7 920, ASUS P6T Deluxe, 12GB Corsair Dominator PC-12800, Sapphire HD5870, WD Velociraptor 300GB HLFS, Samsung Spinpoint 1TB, Creative X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Pro, Logitech G15 and G9, Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers, Dell 2408WFP 24" monitor

22nd Aug 2008, 22:37	#17
Liquid K9 Human programmer.. heh Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 3,111	I have AI this year in college, Im looking forward to it. so much so I bought Artificial Intelligence: a modern approach in anticipation, so its fair to say this topic is close to my heart. I fear politicians more than robots. Robots will never take over the world, no more than a child can control their parents entire lives. Sure they can whine until they make them go to the shops, but ultimately they are dependant on the parents. Thats how I see robots - our children. Politics have put robots in the battlefield (UAV's for instance), Humanoid robots are the next step. I fear that a robot soldier, lacking compassion - or any human 'instinct' has no right being on the battlefield. For a start, it makes the entire concept of war even more ridiculous than it already is. So yeah... robots COULD take over the world. but only if we allow it. Im not convinced it would be a terrible thing in anycase __________________ - Subverting reality since 1999

23rd Aug 2008, 03:15	#18
Arkanrais Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wangamadness, New Zealand Posts: 331	yay, the technological singularity (wiki it). I wouldn't mind getting rid of this meatbag of a body and having it replaced with some mirror polished alu and a few pointy and lasering appendages. HALF SHARK, HALF ROBOT, ALL MAN! __________________ Visit my DeviantArt page or I'll make you squeal like a piggy and throw a spatula at you. FEAR THE SPATULA! What the hell part of a chicken is the nugget?! goddamn McDonalds and their LIES!

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23rd Aug 2008, 04:30	#20
johnmustrule Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 345	Acording to Moors law: 2015 A supercomputer will surpass average human intelligence 2050 A supercomputer will surpass the combined intellegenceof the human race and a 2000$ computer will surpass average human intelligence I'll see if I can find a video of this later __________________ "Your belief, unfortunately, is no endorsement of truth"