Nintendo: Core games are a few years off - bit-tech.net Forums

CardJoe · 27th Aug 2008, 10:53

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08...ew-years-off/1

Nintendo has confirmed that it currently has all internal teams working hard on core games, but that the titles are still a way off.

cjoyce1980 · 27th Aug 2008, 11:06

at least there is madworld to look forward too

CardJoe · 27th Aug 2008, 11:14

Yeah, from SEGA.

sotu1 · 27th Aug 2008, 11:28

the problem isn't just that the core gamers are being ignored (2 years on market and so few core games!? you're kidding!) but the problem is also that we've played Zelda, Mario, metroid etc a million times in a million iterations. Not only do we need new games but we need new IP's.

I'm very tempted by the PS3 and Xbox now. the lack of mature games and less gimmicky games for the DS is what pushed me to the PSP.

Thank the lord that we're getting Madworld.

Diosjenin · 27th Aug 2008, 15:21

See, this is where Nintendo is missing out. Note they didn't say 'hardcore' gamers - they said 'core' gamers. As in the gamers that have been with them all along. And frankly, with the exception of GoldenEye for the N64 and perhaps Resident Evil 4 for the Gamecube, I'm not sure I can think of any tier-one games that have ever been released on the last three Nintendo generations that have catered to the *hardcore* gamers as opposed to Nintendo's *core* gamers.

If Nintendo is content with not catering to this market (and with the money they're pulling in from this generation, they very well may be), that's certainly their choice. But they shouldn't be surprised when they keep churning out Marios and Zeldas and then lose the people who play most consistently to consoles that have games with mature plots and realistic graphics.

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Saivert · 27th Aug 2008, 15:42

Nintendo has always catered to the children and very young players. This has not changed now and it will not change in the future. They just added "casual" to the mix with Wii which targets gamers at any age really.

This was the same back in the old days with NES and SNES. Third-party game developers made the hardcore games (at least that era's equivalent of hardcore) for the consoles, Nintendo themselves focused on Mario and Zelda.

Phil Rhodes · 27th Aug 2008, 15:44

Either "hardcore" or "core", you're talking about a group of people outnumbered by "everyone else" about 25:1. It's not difficult to see where the business logic in this is going.

And frankly, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. Wii is a great little device full of good ideas. It's the only games console in which - fer crying out loud - my mother has expressed even the slightest interest.

You want seven-hour-a-game RTS, buy a PC. You want to lark about with your mates, buy a Wii - they're not exactly expensive. What's the problem?

devdevil85 · 27th Aug 2008, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes

buy a Wii - they're not exactly expensive. What's the problem?

Actually, for what you get, it can be quite expensive, but it depends on how much fun/entertainment you get out of it. Just factor in that you're going to have to purchase more than 1 remote & nun-chuck to really get the whole party aspect going, as well as a component cable for 480p viewing (for the HDTV owners). Either way, you are right though. It can be "not exactly expensive", but it can also be more expensive for others once you really get into it. Hopefully I made sense.

Mongoose132 · 27th Aug 2008, 17:32

Yay, yet more Mario/Metroid games, just what the platforms crying out for...

Fod · 27th Aug 2008, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by sotu1

I'm very tempted by the PS3 and Xbox now. the lack of mature games and less gimmicky games for the DS is what pushed me to the PSP.

Thank the lord that we're getting Madworld.

pfft. just buy em all. that's what i am doing. just got the ps3 to go. alas, i have run out of money atm. stupid HTPC...

reaper1984 · 27th Aug 2008, 21:55

Wii want CRICKET! Come on Nintendo!

BurningFeetMan · 28th Aug 2008, 00:13

Does the gamer make the game hardcore, or is it the game that makes the gamer hardcore? Oh I know, let's stop rinsing & repeating this lame and STUPID ideology year after year after year.

LordPyrinc · 28th Aug 2008, 01:32

Like it or not... Nintendo is doing what's best for the shareholders. If casual games and kid games are the real money makers, that's what they are going to go for. I generally stay away from consoles and do all my gaming on the PC. Well...that is if...uh... emulators don't count as consoles do they??? I do love playing Advance Wars and Advance Wars2 from time to time on my PC. Beats trying to stare at it on a small handheld screen.

On the other hand, I've bought my girlfriend close to twenty Nintendo DS titles... I've played none of them.

adamc · 28th Aug 2008, 10:26

I don't really mind Nintendo using the same Mario, Zelda, Metroid franchises. Although they don't offer much in terms of new storylines or characters, you know what you're getting and it will almost certainly be awesome. The fact is that all of the consoles rely on multi-sequel franchises. Look at the big games recently for 360 and PS3 - GTA4, MGS4, Tekken5, Soul Calibur 4, etc

Remember also Pikmin is a relatively new franchise that everyone wants to see more of.

27th Aug 2008, 10:53	#1
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,940	Nintendo: Core games are a few years off http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/08...ew-years-off/1 Nintendo has confirmed that it currently has all internal teams working hard on core games, but that the titles are still a way off. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

27th Aug 2008, 11:14	#3
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,940	Yeah, from SEGA. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

27th Aug 2008, 11:28	#4
sotu1 Mini Love Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England, South of. Posts: 1,167	the problem isn't just that the core gamers are being ignored (2 years on market and so few core games!? you're kidding!) but the problem is also that we've played Zelda, Mario, metroid etc a million times in a million iterations. Not only do we need new games but we need new IP's. I'm very tempted by the PS3 and Xbox now. the lack of mature games and less gimmicky games for the DS is what pushed me to the PSP. Thank the lord that we're getting Madworld. __________________ Death to consolification !!! [size=1]Give me my Windforce! I'm coming back!

27th Aug 2008, 15:21	#5
Diosjenin Thinker, Tweaker, Et Cetera Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lost in thought Posts: 747	See, this is where Nintendo is missing out. Note they didn't say 'hardcore' gamers - they said 'core' gamers. As in the gamers that have been with them all along. And frankly, with the exception of GoldenEye for the N64 and perhaps Resident Evil 4 for the Gamecube, I'm not sure I can think of any tier-one games that have ever been released on the last three Nintendo generations that have catered to the hardcore gamers as opposed to Nintendo's core gamers. If Nintendo is content with not catering to this market (and with the money they're pulling in from this generation, they very well may be), that's certainly their choice. But they shouldn't be surprised when they keep churning out Marios and Zeldas and then lose the people who play most consistently to consoles that have games with mature plots and realistic graphics. - Diosjenin - __________________ Scratch Build Planning Progress 5.25" Bay: 90% \|\| 3.5" Bay: 100% \|\| HDD Bay: 70% \|\| Floor: 20% \|\| Inner Wall/Rear: 20% \|\| Outer Wall: 10% \|\| Top: 10% \|\| Overall: 35% Can't you hear them? Can't you hear the waffles?

27th Aug 2008, 15:42	#6
Saivert Multimodder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 203	Nintendo has always catered to the children and very young players. This has not changed now and it will not change in the future. They just added "casual" to the mix with Wii which targets gamers at any age really. This was the same back in the old days with NES and SNES. Third-party game developers made the hardcore games (at least that era's equivalent of hardcore) for the consoles, Nintendo themselves focused on Mario and Zelda. __________________ - I'm the troll who bumps page 2 topics -

27th Aug 2008, 11:06	#2
cjoyce1980 Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK Posts: 343	at least there is madworld to look forward too

27th Aug 2008, 15:44	#7
Phil Rhodes Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 574	Either "hardcore" or "core", you're talking about a group of people outnumbered by "everyone else" about 25:1. It's not difficult to see where the business logic in this is going. And frankly, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. Wii is a great little device full of good ideas. It's the only games console in which - fer crying out loud - my mother has expressed even the slightest interest. You want seven-hour-a-game RTS, buy a PC. You want to lark about with your mates, buy a Wii - they're not exactly expensive. What's the problem?

27th Aug 2008, 17:32	#9
Mongoose132 Smiles are free-Use 'em :D Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK-Wendover Posts: 402	Yay, yet more Mario/Metroid games, just what the platforms crying out for... __________________ 49 66 20 79 6f 75 27 72 65 20 72 65 61 64 69 6e 67 20 74 68 69 73 0d 0a 20 74 68 65 6e 20 79 6f 75 27 72 65 20 73 61 64 20 3d 5d Jamie: Mongoose - The binary in your signature was too long, I've fixed the typo and converted it to Hex. Whooops sorry

27th Aug 2008, 21:55	#11
reaper1984 What's a Dremel? Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14	Wii want CRICKET! Come on Nintendo!

28th Aug 2008, 00:13	#12
BurningFeetMan Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 91	Does the gamer make the game hardcore, or is it the game that makes the gamer hardcore? Oh I know, let's stop rinsing & repeating this lame and STUPID ideology year after year after year.

28th Aug 2008, 01:32	#13
LordPyrinc Legomaniac Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: USA Posts: 254	Like it or not... Nintendo is doing what's best for the shareholders. If casual games and kid games are the real money makers, that's what they are going to go for. I generally stay away from consoles and do all my gaming on the PC. Well...that is if...uh... emulators don't count as consoles do they??? I do love playing Advance Wars and Advance Wars2 from time to time on my PC. Beats trying to stare at it on a small handheld screen. On the other hand, I've bought my girlfriend close to twenty Nintendo DS titles... I've played none of them. __________________ HP Pavilion Elite m9040n PC - Vista Home Premium Intel Core 2 Quad Processor Q6600 @ 2.40ghz - 3G of RAM - Dual 320G HDs Upgrades/Add-ons: 22" Widescreen LCD, 700W RocketFish PSU, BFG GeForce 9800 GT 160G Ext USB HD, Logitech X-540 5.1 Surround Sound Speakers

28th Aug 2008, 10:26	#14
adamc Modder Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 62	I don't really mind Nintendo using the same Mario, Zelda, Metroid franchises. Although they don't offer much in terms of new storylines or characters, you know what you're getting and it will almost certainly be awesome. The fact is that all of the consoles rely on multi-sequel franchises. Look at the big games recently for 360 and PS3 - GTA4, MGS4, Tekken5, Soul Calibur 4, etc Remember also Pikmin is a relatively new franchise that everyone wants to see more of.