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CardJoe · 17th Sep 2008, 12:50

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/09...-by-xbox-360/1

id's Tom Willits has commented that the storage capacity of the Xbox 360 is holding back id's Rage.

liratheal · 17th Sep 2008, 12:54

Enter flame war, stage left!

Eh, so long as it doesn't become vapourware, then all should be good.

cjoyce1980 · 17th Sep 2008, 13:03

why don't id do then same as EA did with burnout paradise on the 360.... just make a hard disc mandortory in order to play the game

simple really and those that don't have a 360 HDD, most likely don't play alot of hard core games anyway

Neoki · 17th Sep 2008, 13:08

FLAMING TIME
being an owner of both the 360 and ps3 why dont micro$oft just include something like HD-DVD as a gaming format. That would surely bring it back.

liratheal · 17th Sep 2008, 13:19

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Originally Posted by Neoki

FLAMING TIME
being an owner of both the 360 and ps3 why dont micro$oft just include something like HD-DVD as a gaming format. That would surely bring it back.

Way too late for that now. They won't include a higher capacity disk drive at this point of the consoles life - It's not as simple to deal with as not including a hard drive, and would alienate every single 360 owner to date - Even MS are not that stupid.

I expect there will be something better for the next Xbox, could well be Blu-ray, given that it's pretty much the only viable high-capacity disk at the moment.

DXR_13KE · 17th Sep 2008, 13:30

make hard drives mandatory, problem solved.

edit: and microsoft should release a DIY kit for any user to fit a custom hard drive.

Goty · 17th Sep 2008, 13:42

Another solution to this problem would be to make the game more than two discs on the 360 and just charge the owners more for that version of the game. They paid less for the console, so they should be able to afford a bit more for each game to make up for the fact that Microsoft wasn't being particularly forward-thinking when designing the 360. Why punish others?

liratheal · 17th Sep 2008, 13:58

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Originally Posted by Goty

Another solution to this problem would be to make the game more than two discs on the 360 and just charge the owners more for that version of the game. They paid less for the console, so they should be able to afford a bit more for each game to make up for the fact that Microsoft wasn't being particularly forward-thinking when designing the 360. Why punish others?

Charging more based on which console it's on is a super-stupid move. They'd earn more hate from the users than for just delaying it.

Not to mention that cheaper consoles are often bought by people with less money. Trying to screw them because Microsoft screwed up does NOT make good business sense, it's more likely to get you shot than Microsoft.

shigllgetcha · 17th Sep 2008, 14:02

actuall production cost of games in so minimal anyway it wouldnt matter of the £40 you pay for a game at most like £3 most only go to making the actual disc and case you take home. with blu ray being so new it cant be the same price to produce a dvd. dvds have to be far cheaper to make i cant see it being fair to charge more

it was a huge slip by MS to still be using DVD's

smilinrat · 17th Sep 2008, 14:18

I'd prefer that they only gimped the 360 version. Leave it as is for my beloved PC.

[USRF]Obiwan · 17th Sep 2008, 14:56

Just strip down the x360 version and show all the glory on the pc version, that will teach console morons for leaving the PC as the ultimate game platform. Yes I really hate "PC wannabe" consoles, except the Atari's of the good old days...

paulwebber · 17th Sep 2008, 15:57

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Originally Posted by liratheal

Charging more based on which console it's on is a super-stupid move. They'd earn more hate from the users than for just delaying it.

Not to mention that cheaper consoles are often bought by people with less money. Trying to screw them because Microsoft screwed up does NOT make good business sense, it's more likely to get you shot than Microsoft.

to add to your point people buy the cheaper console because they cant afford the more expensive ones!! no they do not have more money left over for the games!! they dont have the same amount of money to start with!!!

mikeuk2004 · 17th Sep 2008, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Neoki

FLAMING TIME
being an owner of both the 360 and ps3 why dont micro$oft just include something like HD-DVD as a gaming format. That would surely bring it back.

Because add-ons have failed int he past and i dont think ms could even make it work. For example the Mega CD, 32X and Jaguar CD.

esdubu · 17th Sep 2008, 16:42

Last time i checked PC games don't come on bluray discs or supermegahyperdef discs, they come on dvd's. The exact same kind of dvd's that 360 games come on. So i don't get where the problem is with the 360. Sure storage of the game on a PC is easy no matter how big it is but you've still got to get it home from the shop, unless they've decided that now all id games will come preinstalled on a hard drive.

Narishma · 17th Sep 2008, 16:45

Why not link to a more recent and less blurry trailer?

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/38582.html

Lepermessiah · 17th Sep 2008, 17:13

This bothers me, why do Pc and PS3 suffer because of 360? This is why PC gamers despise console ports. Pc goes on Hard Drives, so space is never an issue for Pc to guy above.

Bauul · 17th Sep 2008, 17:14

Hmm, I'm not sure what I make of this. Cutting down is a problem for any game, but it fills two DVDs? How huge is this game going to be? I'm worried I'm going to need a new hard drive just to install this thing! And that's with JC's legendary compression technologies. You never know, maybe a bit of trimming will improve game play.

Lepermessiah · 17th Sep 2008, 17:16

I am anti console and proud of it, they represent the lowest common denominator, and they way they operate trying to force exclusives so a large portion of gamers do not get to enjoy games or DLC (GTA 4), and how it is all about marketing and hype. Consoles suck and i don't care who disagrees. They hold Pc gaming back as devs port games over with no improvements, when the Pc could easily have them.

p3n · 17th Sep 2008, 17:32

woulda thought ID could force M$ to allow installation on the 360 .. if they dont then disc swapping shenanigans will force me to the ps3 or PC for these games.

Jojii · 17th Sep 2008, 17:43

This is stupid, why would id even release this press release if nothing else then to piss people off. Itâ€™s their problem and they get paid to think up solutions to the problems with their products. They are just acting like gossiping school girls pointing blame for their own inability to make it work.

17th Sep 2008, 12:50	#1
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cjoyce1980 Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK Posts: 343	why don't id do then same as EA did with burnout paradise on the 360.... just make a hard disc mandortory in order to play the game simple really and those that don't have a 360 HDD, most likely don't play alot of hard core games anyway

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Goty Supermodder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Dacula, GA USA Posts: 302	Another solution to this problem would be to make the game more than two discs on the 360 and just charge the owners more for that version of the game. They paid less for the console, so they should be able to afford a bit more for each game to make up for the fact that Microsoft wasn't being particularly forward-thinking when designing the 360. Why punish others?

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smilinrat What's a Dremel? Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 9	I'd prefer that they only gimped the 360 version. Leave it as is for my beloved PC.

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[USRF]Obiwan Ultramodder Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,218	Just strip down the x360 version and show all the glory on the pc version, that will teach console morons for leaving the PC as the ultimate game platform. Yes I really hate "PC wannabe" consoles, except the Atari's of the good old days... __________________ Mascleta: "The most accurate simulation of thunder, humans can simulate..." The answer is 42, so... whats the question again? If you know what 'Peek' and 'Poke' represents, then you are probably as old as me.

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esdubu What's a Dremel? Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: preston Posts: 5	Last time i checked PC games don't come on bluray discs or supermegahyperdef discs, they come on dvd's. The exact same kind of dvd's that 360 games come on. So i don't get where the problem is with the 360. Sure storage of the game on a PC is easy no matter how big it is but you've still got to get it home from the shop, unless they've decided that now all id games will come preinstalled on a hard drive.

17th Sep 2008, 16:45	#15
Narishma Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 88	Why not link to a more recent and less blurry trailer? http://www.gametrailers.com/player/38582.html

17th Sep 2008, 17:13	#16
Lepermessiah Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 566	This bothers me, why do Pc and PS3 suffer because of 360? This is why PC gamers despise console ports. Pc goes on Hard Drives, so space is never an issue for Pc to guy above.

17th Sep 2008, 17:14	#17
Bauul Sir Bongaminge Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Godalming, near Guildford Posts: 1,553	Hmm, I'm not sure what I make of this. Cutting down is a problem for any game, but it fills two DVDs? How huge is this game going to be? I'm worried I'm going to need a new hard drive just to install this thing! And that's with JC's legendary compression technologies. You never know, maybe a bit of trimming will improve game play. __________________ Pentium 4 CPU 3.4 Ghz \| 1Gb + 2x512Mb Corsair DDR2 667 Mhz Sapphire Radeon HD 4770 512Mb\| WD Raptor 36Gb, Seagate 300Gb \| Asus P5LD2 SE Ibanez RG 470 Japanese Edition \| 1991 Japanese Lo-TRS Tremolo \| V7 S1 Custom V8 HSH Pickups

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Lepermessiah Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 566	I am anti console and proud of it, they represent the lowest common denominator, and they way they operate trying to force exclusives so a large portion of gamers do not get to enjoy games or DLC (GTA 4), and how it is all about marketing and hype. Consoles suck and i don't care who disagrees. They hold Pc gaming back as devs port games over with no improvements, when the Pc could easily have them.

17th Sep 2008, 17:32	#19
p3n Hypermodder Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 731	woulda thought ID could force M$ to allow installation on the 360 .. if they dont then disc swapping shenanigans will force me to the ps3 or PC for these games.

17th Sep 2008, 17:43	#20
Jojii hardware freak Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Nevada, USA Posts: 121	This is stupid, why would id even release this press release if nothing else then to piss people off. Itâ€™s their problem and they get paid to think up solutions to the problems with their products. They are just acting like gossiping school girls pointing blame for their own inability to make it work.