Windows 7 removes e-mail, photo tools - bit-tech.net Forums

Tim S · 24th Sep 2008, 10:39

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/09...-photo-tools/1

The next Windows release is due to have the e-mail, photo editing, and movie editing packages included in XP and Vista removed and replaced with optional web-based versions.

Paradigm Shifter · 24th Sep 2008, 10:42

I like the XP 'Windows Picture and Fax Viewer' for a quick look at a picture, but prefer my own applications for e-mail and editing of any type.

Shielder · 24th Sep 2008, 11:01

How much do you want to bet that the first version will be free, but the "upgraded" version (containing, mostly useless, extras) will be chargable?

I think I'll stick with Linux and the Open Source software I use on Windows thanks.

Andy

perplekks45 · 24th Sep 2008, 11:21

I like the idea of not having all that crap (or not so much crap but I just don't use it) installed. Using FF and TB myself I can only applaud Microsoft for that. Now get rid of IE in the standard install and I'm happy.

Volund · 24th Sep 2008, 11:36

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Originally Posted by aon`aTv.gsus666

Now get rid of IE in the standard install and I'm happy.

that would be absolutely wonderful.

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Originally Posted by Shielder

I think I'll stick with Linux and the Open Source software I use on Windows thanks.

yep

steveo_mcg · 24th Sep 2008, 11:37

I'm also glad they are pareing things down a bit and "the cloud" seems to be the way to go. We all need a browser out the box these days so maybe a utility built into windows to pick the one you want instead of having ie forced on you.

But some tools are also useful to run local, like the picture and fax viewer to quickly flick through photos.

Cthippo · 24th Sep 2008, 11:43

Definatly a step in the right direction. Now if they can just strip out IE and WMP, I'll be happy.

Who am I kidding, I'll still be a penguin head, but at least I'll hopefully have fewer reasons to curse at the computer when i have to use a MS app.

Skiddywinks · 24th Sep 2008, 11:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paradigm Shifter

I like the XP 'Windows Picture and Fax Viewer' for a quick look at a picture, but prefer my own applications for e-mail and editing of any type.

I also love the Picture and Fax viewer, but I have to hand it to MS; this is a great step forward. It is easier for them, and now I don't have anything I never use installed on my PC everytime I do a format.

feedayeen · 24th Sep 2008, 11:52

The fewer extra features that microsoft bundles with it's operating systems the better, even for their own users. A smaller bundle means that fewer people use a single standard for their software, a smaller population of users will lesson the encintive of hackers to create malware that can abuse that software's rights on the computer.

Besides, this might just be the push that some people need inorder for them to install software properly and safely further increasing tech literacy among the masses (or it will result in many calls from grandmothers about the magic box).

Woodstock · 24th Sep 2008, 11:56

Can they really get rid of something like IE from the default install, the average user wouldnt be able to just hope on the net then, as they couldnt even download an alternative

Cthippo · 24th Sep 2008, 12:05

I wouldn't mind them leaving IE in the default install so long as it can be uninstalled.

My big gripe is that even though I never use IE, I have to keep patching it because it creates security issues for the whole system due to the way they welded it to the OS. Hopefully it will be a totally seperate program in Win7 which can be used to download Opera (or FF or Chrome or whatever) and then be uninstalled.

And while I'm dreaming, I'd also like MS to quit supporting any form of DRM

Flibblebot · 24th Sep 2008, 12:21

I don't think we'll ever see an IE-free version of Windows. As I understand it, it's so deeply tied into the core OS that it would require a complete rewrite from the ground up just to remove it. That's never going to happen.

I do use the photo viewer thingy in Vista & XP though - it's a useful way to browse through photos looking for the one I want without having to fire up Photoshop.

impar · 24th Sep 2008, 12:36

Greetings!

Good news.

First programs I install are AVG, Comodo, Firefox, Thunderbird, KLite (with Media Player Classic, of course), FastStone Image Viewer and Paint .NET.

Most of the bundled programs Microsoft includes dont get used at all, IE is just used for Windows Update.

GoodBytes · 24th Sep 2008, 12:51

I like all these tools. They are easy to use, works great for small jobs.
I want them!

Is it REALLY a killer to add a Custom button in Windows Setup where you can add/remove features you want in Windows?!

GoodBytes · 24th Sep 2008, 12:55

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Originally Posted by impar

First programs I install are AVG, Comodo, Firefox, Thunderbird, KLite (with Media Player Classic, of course), FastStone Image Viewer and Paint .NET.

The only think install as basic programs is Firefox, Thunderbird, Vista Codec Pack 64-bit, Jascs PaintShop Pro 7.
I do use A LOT PhotoGallary, as Flibblebot you don't need to wait to startup a monster application just to check pout 1 freaking picture.

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Most of the bundled programs Microsoft includes don't get used at all

I don't know, Most videos on youtube are done in Windows Movie Maker.

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IE is just used for Windows Update.

If you use Vista, you will see that Internet Explorer is not only out of the folder system (finally), but even Windows Update is included as part of the OS (no website crap that takes 2 hours to detect the updates and all buggy).

The only time I use Internet Explorer is when I want to run a 64-bit Web browser for those sites that use OS detection to offer you a download. As I want the 64-bit version, I use IE 64-bit.

To add:
Al these tools are fairly light, I mean HDD space is NOT an issue anymore, it doesn't load on the back. PROOF: Windows Vista Business edition doesn't start up faster than the Ultimate edition. As you are are not running these software, it does not eat resources, and Vista take 20min to install, and probably limited to the user optical drive speed. So I REALLY don't see where the "bloatware" is. If it bothers anyone, just delete the start menu shortcut.

yakyb · 24th Sep 2008, 12:57

yes becuase setup is too complicated!!!

well thats what they think,
they have been pushing to make setup as simple as possible for some time now and by adding in custom install options you complicate things

what they need to implement is a question right at the very start of the process do you want to install windows default or customised.

let us have the choice from the very start anyone who doesnt know to pick default when they are not sure what they are doing has no right to be anywhere near to an OS being installed

Delphium · 24th Sep 2008, 13:05

Personally id rather have IE kept in windows, think when you do a fresh install, only machine in the house, want to install firfox / drivers for hardware after a fresh build, but wait you cant download anything because no browser, unless you had a firefox install floating around on a usb stick / hard drive etc.

Just means that when you come to install windows, there would be 2 things you would ensure you have, windows install disc, and a usb stick with latest fire fox on
so that you can then download the latest drivers / codecs etc from various sites.

So would rather keep IE, but WMP can go... and keep MPC

GoodBytes · 24th Sep 2008, 13:10

I think WMP 11 is nice ON PAPER. They are some improvement in usability that could be done, but it's really a HUDGE step better than it's previous version (10). The problem is that it's badly optimized, in the sense that when you scale the window, it's slow (well not as fast as other player/software or MPC). If they make WMP11 more optimized, and remove that online store thingy (Zune store, or Windows, decide Microsoft, not both!), I think it would be pretty good already.

roshan · 24th Sep 2008, 13:35

I dont see any thing better than vista in windows 7 except directx 11 for gamers.

Phil Rhodes · 24th Sep 2008, 13:55

If they can make the picture viewer slightly less hopelessly slow, I'm all for it.

> Windows Mail ... last seen in Vista

Wouldn't that also be first seen in Vista?

24th Sep 2008, 10:39	#1
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24th Sep 2008, 11:21	#4
perplekks45 BSc... finally Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,350	I like the idea of not having all that crap (or not so much crap but I just don't use it) installed. Using FF and TB myself I can only applaud Microsoft for that. Now get rid of IE in the standard install and I'm happy. __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." Blame it on Cheaps! [now a social group]

24th Sep 2008, 11:43	#7
Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 4,472	Definatly a step in the right direction. Now if they can just strip out IE and WMP, I'll be happy. Who am I kidding, I'll still be a penguin head, but at least I'll hopefully have fewer reasons to curse at the computer when i have to use a MS app. __________________ Notice: If we see you flaming we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate measures - The Bit-Tech Fire Brigade.

24th Sep 2008, 11:56	#10
Woodstock So Say We All Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,657	Can they really get rid of something like IE from the default install, the average user wouldnt be able to just hope on the net then, as they couldnt even download an alternative __________________ Hell hath no fury like a hippo with a machine gun.

24th Sep 2008, 10:42	#2
Paradigm Shifter Lethargic Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,213	I like the XP 'Windows Picture and Fax Viewer' for a quick look at a picture, but prefer my own applications for e-mail and editing of any type.

24th Sep 2008, 11:37	#6
steveo_mcg What owl? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,983	I'm also glad they are pareing things down a bit and "the cloud" seems to be the way to go. We all need a browser out the box these days so maybe a utility built into windows to pick the one you want instead of having ie forced on you. But some tools are also useful to run local, like the picture and fax viewer to quickly flick through photos.

24th Sep 2008, 11:52	#9
feedayeen Minimodder Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 35	The fewer extra features that microsoft bundles with it's operating systems the better, even for their own users. A smaller bundle means that fewer people use a single standard for their software, a smaller population of users will lesson the encintive of hackers to create malware that can abuse that software's rights on the computer. Besides, this might just be the push that some people need inorder for them to install software properly and safely further increasing tech literacy among the masses (or it will result in many calls from grandmothers about the magic box).

24th Sep 2008, 12:05	#11
Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 4,472	I wouldn't mind them leaving IE in the default install so long as it can be uninstalled. My big gripe is that even though I never use IE, I have to keep patching it because it creates security issues for the whole system due to the way they welded it to the OS. Hopefully it will be a totally seperate program in Win7 which can be used to download Opera (or FF or Chrome or whatever) and then be uninstalled. And while I'm dreaming, I'd also like MS to quit supporting any form of DRM __________________ Notice: If we see you flaming we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate measures - The Bit-Tech Fire Brigade.

24th Sep 2008, 12:21	#12
Flibblebot Free from artificial flavourings Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here, right now Posts: 2,229	I don't think we'll ever see an IE-free version of Windows. As I understand it, it's so deeply tied into the core OS that it would require a complete rewrite from the ground up just to remove it. That's never going to happen. I do use the photo viewer thingy in Vista & XP though - it's a useful way to browse through photos looking for the one I want without having to fire up Photoshop. __________________ My uber-system: 66Mhz 486DX2, 8Mb RAM, 20Mb hard drive, 256 colour VGA adaptor (goes all the way up to 800x600!), keyboard AND serial mouse

24th Sep 2008, 12:36	#13
impar 2n-1 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 843	Greetings! Good news. First programs I install are AVG, Comodo, Firefox, Thunderbird, KLite (with Media Player Classic, of course), FastStone Image Viewer and Paint .NET. Most of the bundled programs Microsoft includes dont get used at all, IE is just used for Windows Update. __________________ The recruitment of Militia is illegal. Militia-recruiters will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the applicable laws.

24th Sep 2008, 12:51	#14
GoodBytes mother into a board?! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada, Montreal Posts: 3,477	I like all these tools. They are easy to use, works great for small jobs. I want them! Is it REALLY a killer to add a Custom button in Windows Setup where you can add/remove features you want in Windows?! __________________ AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ S939 \| 3GB of Corsair/Kingston (mix) RAM @ 400Mhz 3-3-3-8-2T \| ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe \| Geforce 260 GTX \| X-Fi XtreamMusic \| Western Digital 250GB SATA-II 16MB of Buffer \| Corsair HX620W \| Antec SOLO case \| Monitor: 24inch Dell U2410 \| Win 7 64-bit Go for Pro!

24th Sep 2008, 12:57	#16
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24th Sep 2008, 13:05	#17
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24th Sep 2008, 13:10	#18
GoodBytes mother into a board?! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada, Montreal Posts: 3,477	I think WMP 11 is nice ON PAPER. They are some improvement in usability that could be done, but it's really a HUDGE step better than it's previous version (10). The problem is that it's badly optimized, in the sense that when you scale the window, it's slow (well not as fast as other player/software or MPC). If they make WMP11 more optimized, and remove that online store thingy (Zune store, or Windows, decide Microsoft, not both!), I think it would be pretty good already. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ S939 \| 3GB of Corsair/Kingston (mix) RAM @ 400Mhz 3-3-3-8-2T \| ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe \| Geforce 260 GTX \| X-Fi XtreamMusic \| Western Digital 250GB SATA-II 16MB of Buffer \| Corsair HX620W \| Antec SOLO case \| Monitor: 24inch Dell U2410 \| Win 7 64-bit Go for Pro!

24th Sep 2008, 13:35	#19
roshan Modder Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 62	I dont see any thing better than vista in windows 7 except directx 11 for gamers.

24th Sep 2008, 13:55	#20
Phil Rhodes Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 579	If they can make the picture viewer slightly less hopelessly slow, I'm all for it. > Windows Mail ... last seen in Vista Wouldn't that also be first seen in Vista?