RIAA Royalty agreement threatens Internet Radio - bit-tech.net Forums

Bindibadgi · 24th Sep 2008, 11:47

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/09...ternet-radio/1

The RIAA and DiMA have announced a new royalty agreement for streamed music which could threaten many services.

mmorgue · 24th Sep 2008, 12:07

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The worst part of the agreement though is the decision to impose a royalty of 8.5 percent on revenues retroactively, all the way back to December 31, 2001, overwriting the previous agreement made by the RIAA and music publishers which allowed online streaming services to operate without a set royalty rate.

Wow. That's just...wow

Cthippo · 24th Sep 2008, 12:12

The current royalty is acceptable, but the retroactive paryt is pure BS. The RIAA is still trying to figure out how to force people to buy CDs or better yet, buy a new copy of the song for every device. Until they pull their head out of their collective <expletive deleted> and realize that this is digital data and they cannot control it, this kind of BS will continue.

The record industry needs to die.

People will always create music because creation is in our nature. They will create it and they will want to share it and other people are willing to pay for it. The problem is the middle-men like the RIAA who have been rendered obsolete by the march of technology, but who refuse to go gently into that dark night, and are continuing to scream about their right to make a living off other people's creativity.

Krikkit · 24th Sep 2008, 12:34

Absolutely abhorrent.

Arkanrais · 24th Sep 2008, 12:48

someone needs to IRL frag the b*st*rds.
suddenly I feel like torrenting some music, just to spite these a$$holes.

Delphium · 24th Sep 2008, 12:58

YAY great way to kill off the industry and less artists, bah.

If I was running a radio streaming service, one hat wished to continue under the new royalty scheme.. id prob close the existing station, and form a new one, so that the old station does not have to pay a back dated royalty fee and the new station for scheme but with no back dated fees.

Do live FM radio stations have to pay for songs on a track by track basis ?! I was sure to beleive that FM/MW/LW radio stations used a licence that covers all day playing, not a track by track basis.
Track by track licenceing would be a major headache.

So why the need for online stations to have a track by tracks royalty scheme?!!

ChaosDefinesOrder · 24th Sep 2008, 13:07

Live FM radio stations have a significantly lower royalty rate (less than half that of internet based, but I can't remember my source for this so can't double-check!) and in the case of mainstream stations like BBC Radio 1, for example, actually get paid by the record label to play high profile tracks!

Blademrk · 24th Sep 2008, 13:20

^^ I'd imagine that a FM/MW/LW station would only be able to play so many songs in a given time frame whereas a streaming internet station would be able to play a hell of a lot more (I've not used internet radio, but I assume that each person streaming a track would have their own individual playlist just like the video streaming sites)

Phil Rhodes · 24th Sep 2008, 13:53

> actually get paid by the record label to play high profile tracks!

Which is how they become high profile tracks.

You will listen to the music we want you to listen to.
You will play it on the devices we want you to play it on.
Metallica is great.
Obey.
Conform.
Neural subservience implants optional.

SlickGnome · 24th Sep 2008, 14:08

Let us enjoy the return of the mafia.... Oh wait, its just the RIAA wanting their slice of the pie. Crap NVM. /sarcasm=off

mmorgue · 24th Sep 2008, 15:11

Well, I suppose it only goes to drive the rich, fullness of the alt.b*.mp3 newgroups

DXR_13KE · 24th Sep 2008, 15:38

retroactive? they can do this?

E.E.L. Ambiense · 24th Sep 2008, 16:22

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Originally Posted by Krikkit

Absolutely abhorrent.

cyrilthefish · 24th Sep 2008, 16:23

They're already trying to enforce utterly ludicrous royalty fees on net radio

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With the royalty rate set to rise to $0.0019 per song per listener in 2010, large Webcasters would see an increase in royalty expenses of about 40 percent to 70 percent of revenues, according to a congressional estimate. For small Webcasters, the royalty increase could be up to 1,200 percent of revenues.

And on top of this they want to add more royalty charges?

I'm not quite sure why, but it's very much clear they want to completely wipe out net radio for some reason.
It's not simply the usual inept ways to get more money, this is just just a blatant move to completely kill the industry

steveo_mcg · 24th Sep 2008, 16:27

Its cheaper to put competition out of business than it is to buy them up. Once the original players are out of the scene I wouldn't be surprised if the riaa launch there own stations.

donnie · 24th Sep 2008, 16:41

Heaven forbid that the MPAA & RIAA will have to give up driving their BMW's or living in their mansions, no we definately wouldn't want that to happen.

reflux · 24th Sep 2008, 17:20

Oh, I hate the RIAA.

HorseFeathers · 24th Sep 2008, 17:21

All we hear is RIAADIO ga ga
RIAADIO goo goo
RIAADIO ga ga
All we hear is RIAADIO ga ga
RIAADIO blah blah
RIAADIO what's new?
RIAADIO, someone still loves you!

HugoB · 24th Sep 2008, 17:25

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Originally Posted by HorseFeathers

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- made of WIN!

Cupboard · 24th Sep 2008, 17:28

^^

This is ridiculous though. I really liked Pandora and stopping services like that will both encourage piracy and (imo) reduce CD sales as people won't have heard some new bands that they would otherwise have heard through services like Pandora.

Silly people. I would shoot them along with most animal rights activists (but that is another story)

24th Sep 2008, 11:47	#1
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24th Sep 2008, 12:12	#3
Cthippo Can't mod my way out of a paper bag Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 4,456	The current royalty is acceptable, but the retroactive paryt is pure BS. The RIAA is still trying to figure out how to force people to buy CDs or better yet, buy a new copy of the song for every device. Until they pull their head out of their collective <expletive deleted> and realize that this is digital data and they cannot control it, this kind of BS will continue. The record industry needs to die. People will always create music because creation is in our nature. They will create it and they will want to share it and other people are willing to pay for it. The problem is the middle-men like the RIAA who have been rendered obsolete by the march of technology, but who refuse to go gently into that dark night, and are continuing to scream about their right to make a living off other people's creativity. __________________ Notice: If we see you flaming we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate measures - The Bit-Tech Fire Brigade.

24th Sep 2008, 12:34	#4
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24th Sep 2008, 12:58	#6
Delphium You there computer man fix my pants Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: on teh interwebz Posts: 1,254	YAY great way to kill off the industry and less artists, bah. If I was running a radio streaming service, one hat wished to continue under the new royalty scheme.. id prob close the existing station, and form a new one, so that the old station does not have to pay a back dated royalty fee and the new station for scheme but with no back dated fees. Do live FM radio stations have to pay for songs on a track by track basis ?! I was sure to beleive that FM/MW/LW radio stations used a licence that covers all day playing, not a track by track basis. Track by track licenceing would be a major headache. So why the need for online stations to have a track by tracks royalty scheme?!! __________________ \| Asus P5N32-E SLI \| Q6600 G0 @3.0ghz Watercooled \| 8GB Corsair Dominator PC8500 @1066mhz 5-5-5-15 2T \| XFX GTX285 \| BFG 8800GTS \| XFX 9600GT \| 1x 128GB Crucial M225 SSD \| 5x 500GB Seagate SATA-II \| BFG 800W SLI PSU \| Creative X-Fi Music \| Logitech Z-5500 5.1ch speakers \| 3x Dell S2209W 22"wide TFT's (5760x1080res) \| 1x Panasonic 42"Plasma \| All working on Win7 Ultimate x64 \|

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ChaosDefinesOrder Vapourmodder Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 363	Live FM radio stations have a significantly lower royalty rate (less than half that of internet based, but I can't remember my source for this so can't double-check!) and in the case of mainstream stations like BBC Radio 1, for example, actually get paid by the record label to play high profile tracks! __________________ Current setup: Hiper Osiris \| Core i7 920 (Cooled by Noctua NH-U12P) \| Foxconn Renaissance \| 2x GTX280 \| Cooler Master UCP \| Corsair Dominator 3GB (soon to be 9GB) \| Creative X-Fi Titanium \| Vista Home Premium x64 \| OS Drive: WD Velociraptor 300GB. Storage: 1x 160GB, 1x 250GB, 1x 300GB, 1x500GB (incremental additions over the years! All Maxtor) \| Monitor: Dell 2709W

24th Sep 2008, 13:20	#8
Blademrk Why so serious? Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Here Posts: 2,342	^^ I'd imagine that a FM/MW/LW station would only be able to play so many songs in a given time frame whereas a streaming internet station would be able to play a hell of a lot more (I've not used internet radio, but I assume that each person streaming a track would have their own individual playlist just like the video streaming sites) __________________ The Bit-Tech.net X-Box Live! Leaderboard My X-Box Live & X-Fire GamerTag: BladeMRK WII#: 0379 8536 3210 2060 My Flikr albums Twitter

24th Sep 2008, 13:53	#9
Phil Rhodes Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 574	> actually get paid by the record label to play high profile tracks! Which is how they become high profile tracks. You will listen to the music we want you to listen to. You will play it on the devices we want you to play it on. Metallica is great. Obey. Conform. Neural subservience implants optional.

24th Sep 2008, 14:08	#10
SlickGnome Minimodder Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: BKAC Posts: 46	Let us enjoy the return of the mafia.... Oh wait, its just the RIAA wanting their slice of the pie. Crap NVM. /sarcasm=off

24th Sep 2008, 15:11	#11
mmorgue Supermodder Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Mos Eisley, in the bar... Posts: 378	Well, I suppose it only goes to drive the rich, fullness of the alt.b*.mp3 newgroups

24th Sep 2008, 15:38	#12
DXR_13KE Madeira's banana is the best!!! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Madeira ; Portugal Posts: 6,461	retroactive? they can do this? __________________ *Renegade X - 0.40 Release!* <---- CLICK!

24th Sep 2008, 16:27	#15
steveo_mcg What owl? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,975	Its cheaper to put competition out of business than it is to buy them up. Once the original players are out of the scene I wouldn't be surprised if the riaa launch there own stations.

24th Sep 2008, 16:41	#16
donnie Moddin' my way out of a paper bag Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 77	Heaven forbid that the MPAA & RIAA will have to give up driving their BMW's or living in their mansions, no we definately wouldn't want that to happen. __________________ 780i - Q6600 - EVGA 8800GTS - 3GB GEIL - LIAN LI V2100 - SWIFTECH WC KIT

24th Sep 2008, 17:20	#17
reflux Modder Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 59	Oh, I hate the RIAA.

24th Sep 2008, 17:21	#18
HorseFeathers Smile for the camera Join Date: May 2004 Location: In a stable Posts: 21	All we hear is RIAADIO ga ga RIAADIO goo goo RIAADIO ga ga All we hear is RIAADIO ga ga RIAADIO blah blah RIAADIO what's new? RIAADIO, someone still loves you! __________________ Horse Chewing Grass since 1986

24th Sep 2008, 17:28	#20
Cupboard I'm not a modder. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bury St Edmunds/Durham Uni Posts: 1,840	^^ This is ridiculous though. I really liked Pandora and stopping services like that will both encourage piracy and (imo) reduce CD sales as people won't have heard some new bands that they would otherwise have heard through services like Pandora. Silly people. I would shoot them along with most animal rights activists (but that is another story) __________________ i7 920, 8800GTS 512, 6GB Corsair all in an Intel DX58SO; 3*320GB RAID5; CM Stacker Samsung Q45.