First Deus Ex 3 details emerge - bit-tech.net Forums

CardJoe · 6th Oct 2008, 10:06

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/10...tails-emerge/1

News has started to creep out about the massively anticipated sequel to one of the best PC games ever, with Deus Ex 3 now confirmed as a prequel.

Jordan Wise · 6th Oct 2008, 10:20

I don't like the crouch heal system one bit. I think Deus Ex had the best damage system in any game, with your accuracy decreasing if your arm is damaged and slower movement if your legs are shot. I just hope the AI improves in this one, I never played the second but the idea of enemies sprinting away when they're on the verge of death was just daft

CardJoe · 6th Oct 2008, 10:24

I quite liked that. They'd try to take you down because you looked normal, then when they found out you were superhuman they'd scarper and try to hit an alarm or find a medkit. Choosing your fights and making sure that running enemies didn't run through camera paths was good.

Invisible War gets a bad rap. It wasn't a worthy sequel and it did have it's flaws, but there was still a lot to like about the game and there are some bits of IW I really wish were in the first game - like Unique Weapons.

Gunsmith · 6th Oct 2008, 10:49

another shitting console shooter :/

liratheal · 6th Oct 2008, 11:01

I think I'll hold my tounge until the game is either released, or more detail is known. After the second one.. They have a lot of work to do to get me interested in anything but the original.

Dreaming · 6th Oct 2008, 11:06

Sounds in some ways similar to the half life plot actually. But I don't mind the CoD health system, but whether it will work with Deus Ex I don't know. The second game was appalling and just lacked the depth and expanse and feel or the first one.

CardJoe · 6th Oct 2008, 11:12

I just hope that this health-recharge system iisn't infinite like in COD, but linked to an Aug like it was in DX1.

Narishma · 6th Oct 2008, 11:21

I hate this health recharging system. I they must absolutely use it, why don't they just limit it to the easy mode?

Tyrmot · 6th Oct 2008, 11:46

I'll add my voice to the soon to be clamouring masses and say that the health recharging is not a good sign...

That system works very well in games like CoD - i.e. first person 'action' shooters - a genre which Deus Ex manifestly does *not* fall into. The whole point about the accumulating damage in DE was that you had to think and be careful about how hurt you got - to discourage the 'guns blazing' approach (though of course that was always an option if you had the weapon skills to back it up anyway).

And then, as you say Joe, there is an obvious Aug which lets you recharge health (and a very useful one it was too!).

*Sigh* I really hope this lives up to expectations, but then, I think I'll just expect to be disappointed. At least no-one can ever take the joy of the original away (I'm playing it again now, what an amazing piece of work it is).

CardJoe · 6th Oct 2008, 12:11

I do have a horrible feeling it will be *just* like it was in COD, which would be awful, but I'm hoping that it'll go the other way and be aug-based and drain your Bio-electric instead.

Silver51 · 6th Oct 2008, 12:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by liratheal

I think I'll hold my tounge until the game is either released, or more detail is known. After the second one.. They have a lot of work to do to get me interested in anything but the original.

My thoughts exactly.

Omnituens · 6th Oct 2008, 14:17

noooo.... recharging health

Phil Rhodes · 6th Oct 2008, 15:41

Deus Ex 2 was very good - for a console game. Consoles are for children, idiots and casual players who will not tolerate the kind of thought required to get the most out of a game like the original.

Deus Ex 3 will presumably also be very good - for a console game. It is now impossible to make any serious game without considering the console market, and it is impossible to make a really worthwhile Deus Ex sequel which is saleable to that market.

Ergo there cannot currently be a worthwhile Deus Ex sequel. Market conditions make it impossible.

Nature · 6th Oct 2008, 16:24

Why did the creator not want to get involved? Strange. I hope the new game is made by as good as writers as the last ones.

Does anyone else think the 90's was the golden age of ... everything (Dues ex, half life, the X-files etc..)? Must be everyone was afraid of armageddon and tried a little harder...

Gunsmith · 6th Oct 2008, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes

Deus Ex 2 was very good - for a console game. Consoles are for children, idiots and casual players who will not tolerate the kind of thought required to get the most out of a game like the original.

Deus Ex 3 will presumably also be very good - for a console game. It is now impossible to make any serious game without considering the console market, and it is impossible to make a really worthwhile Deus Ex sequel which is saleable to that market.

Ergo there cannot currently be a worthwhile Deus Ex sequel. Market conditions make it impossible.

spoken like a true gamer, the same can also be applied to nearly everygame coming out which is why i still rate crysis and warhead as two of the last greats to be made.

CardJoe · 6th Oct 2008, 17:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nature

Why did the creator not want to get involved? Strange. I hope the new game is made by as good as writers as the last ones.

Does anyone else think the 90's was the golden age of ... everything (Dues ex, half life, the X-files etc..)? Must be everyone was afraid of armageddon and tried a little harder...

Spector has given his blessing, but now works for Disney as a developer and wants to move on to new things.

Lepermessiah · 6th Oct 2008, 18:38

Cross platform development = dissappojntment. Sorry, i would love to be excited but everythign so far screasm at trying to please the AD&D Console audience, dumbed down? Yipper. Consoles are the worst thing to happen to gaming, mass market dumbed down games with millions spent on advertising and hype ia all we get now.

johnnyboy700 · 6th Oct 2008, 18:54

I hope its good, even if its average I'll probably still buy it even if its consol friendly.

I reckon the biggest problem this game, and IW, has is that the original was soooo much of a departure from anything else around at the time (and arguably since) that I honestly believe that it is quite unique and has never been equalled and probably never will be. I think that it won't matter what its like there will always be a backlash and there will always be people who will hate it.

Every time I think of Deus Ex I always remember the first time I played it after reading the reviews and hearing all the glowing superlatives that were overflowing about how wonderful it was - I hated it so much and vowed to scrub it from my hard drive and burn the disk. I know it sounds like blasphemy now but the problem was that I didn't get into the necessary mindset to play the game as it needed to be played, for some reason I gave it one more shot and it suddenly clicked and even know I acknowledge its true genius. As soon as I built my current rig, after HL2, Deus Ex was one of the first games I loaded up, each time I play it I try to do some of the tasks just a bit differently or change my skills and augmentations just to see how it goes.

I think the best way to describe Deus Ex would be its the game world equivalent of capturing lightning in a bottle and will probably never be repeated. I do have to say, given the past record of Ion Storm, did anyone expect them to produce anything as good?

roshan · 7th Oct 2008, 16:39

Deus Ex
Come on I am waiting.I remember wonderful nights i spent playing 1st game way back in 2001.

Spaceraver · 8th Oct 2008, 02:44

If they could only develop it for a pc and then port it to console. Not the other way around. Last console i owned was a snes. Fun yes. But not much else than button mashing at the right time.
Keyboard and mouse, baby. All the way

6th Oct 2008, 10:06	#1
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,940	First Deus Ex 3 details emerge http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/10...tails-emerge/1 News has started to creep out about the massively anticipated sequel to one of the best PC games ever, with Deus Ex 3 now confirmed as a prequel. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

6th Oct 2008, 10:20	#2
Jordan Wise Baby called to see the boss... Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Newcastle Uni Posts: 597	I don't like the crouch heal system one bit. I think Deus Ex had the best damage system in any game, with your accuracy decreasing if your arm is damaged and slower movement if your legs are shot. I just hope the AI improves in this one, I never played the second but the idea of enemies sprinting away when they're on the verge of death was just daft __________________ Favourite Max Payne quote: "He was trying to buy sand for his hour glass, and I wasn't selling any" Steam ID:jordanwise

6th Oct 2008, 10:24	#3
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,940	I quite liked that. They'd try to take you down because you looked normal, then when they found out you were superhuman they'd scarper and try to hit an alarm or find a medkit. Choosing your fights and making sure that running enemies didn't run through camera paths was good. Invisible War gets a bad rap. It wasn't a worthy sequel and it did have it's flaws, but there was still a lot to like about the game and there are some bits of IW I really wish were in the first game - like Unique Weapons. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

6th Oct 2008, 10:49	#4
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6th Oct 2008, 11:01	#5
liratheal Just got a great book on tape Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: High Wycombe, UK Posts: 3,552	I think I'll hold my tounge until the game is either released, or more detail is known. After the second one.. They have a lot of work to do to get me interested in anything but the original. __________________ Gigabyte MA790FX, X4 9950 Black Edition, 8gb Geil Black Dragon, 2x4870 512mb, Antec TruePower Quattro 850w I game, Do you?

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6th Oct 2008, 11:12	#7
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,940	I just hope that this health-recharge system iisn't infinite like in COD, but linked to an Aug like it was in DX1. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

6th Oct 2008, 11:21	#8
Narishma Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 88	I hate this health recharging system. I they must absolutely use it, why don't they just limit it to the easy mode?

6th Oct 2008, 11:46	#9
Tyrmot Multimodder Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: London Posts: 204	I'll add my voice to the soon to be clamouring masses and say that the health recharging is not a good sign... That system works very well in games like CoD - i.e. first person 'action' shooters - a genre which Deus Ex manifestly does not fall into. The whole point about the accumulating damage in DE was that you had to think and be careful about how hurt you got - to discourage the 'guns blazing' approach (though of course that was always an option if you had the weapon skills to back it up anyway). And then, as you say Joe, there is an obvious Aug which lets you recharge health (and a very useful one it was too!). Sigh I really hope this lives up to expectations, but then, I think I'll just expect to be disappointed. At least no-one can ever take the joy of the original away (I'm playing it again now, what an amazing piece of work it is).

6th Oct 2008, 12:11	#10
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7,940	I do have a horrible feeling it will be just like it was in COD, which would be awful, but I'm hoping that it'll go the other way and be aug-based and drain your Bio-electric instead. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

6th Oct 2008, 14:17	#12
Omnituens Supermodder Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Stockport Posts: 405	noooo.... recharging health __________________ Current Rig: i7 D0 2.66GHz, 6GB 1066MHz Corsair "Dominator", 285 GTX.

6th Oct 2008, 15:41	#13
Phil Rhodes Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 574	Deus Ex 2 was very good - for a console game. Consoles are for children, idiots and casual players who will not tolerate the kind of thought required to get the most out of a game like the original. Deus Ex 3 will presumably also be very good - for a console game. It is now impossible to make any serious game without considering the console market, and it is impossible to make a really worthwhile Deus Ex sequel which is saleable to that market. Ergo there cannot currently be a worthwhile Deus Ex sequel. Market conditions make it impossible.

6th Oct 2008, 16:24	#14
Nature Supermodder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Jinan, China Posts: 417	Why did the creator not want to get involved? Strange. I hope the new game is made by as good as writers as the last ones. Does anyone else think the 90's was the golden age of ... everything (Dues ex, half life, the X-files etc..)? Must be everyone was afraid of armageddon and tried a little harder... __________________ Peace, Love, Empathy, Respect, Generosity, Smiles, and Hugs

6th Oct 2008, 18:38	#17
Lepermessiah Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 566	Cross platform development = dissappojntment. Sorry, i would love to be excited but everythign so far screasm at trying to please the AD&D Console audience, dumbed down? Yipper. Consoles are the worst thing to happen to gaming, mass market dumbed down games with millions spent on advertising and hype ia all we get now.

6th Oct 2008, 18:54	#18
johnnyboy700 Hypermodder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 783	I hope its good, even if its average I'll probably still buy it even if its consol friendly. I reckon the biggest problem this game, and IW, has is that the original was soooo much of a departure from anything else around at the time (and arguably since) that I honestly believe that it is quite unique and has never been equalled and probably never will be. I think that it won't matter what its like there will always be a backlash and there will always be people who will hate it. Every time I think of Deus Ex I always remember the first time I played it after reading the reviews and hearing all the glowing superlatives that were overflowing about how wonderful it was - I hated it so much and vowed to scrub it from my hard drive and burn the disk. I know it sounds like blasphemy now but the problem was that I didn't get into the necessary mindset to play the game as it needed to be played, for some reason I gave it one more shot and it suddenly clicked and even know I acknowledge its true genius. As soon as I built my current rig, after HL2, Deus Ex was one of the first games I loaded up, each time I play it I try to do some of the tasks just a bit differently or change my skills and augmentations just to see how it goes. I think the best way to describe Deus Ex would be its the game world equivalent of capturing lightning in a bottle and will probably never be repeated. I do have to say, given the past record of Ion Storm, did anyone expect them to produce anything as good?

7th Oct 2008, 16:39	#19
roshan Modder Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 62	Deus Ex Come on I am waiting.I remember wonderful nights i spent playing 1st game way back in 2001.

8th Oct 2008, 02:44	#20
Spaceraver Weekend Junkie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kolding, Denmark Posts: 1,305	If they could only develop it for a pc and then port it to console. Not the other way around. Last console i owned was a snes. Fun yes. But not much else than button mashing at the right time. Keyboard and mouse, baby. All the way __________________ "Faith: not wanting to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche. "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca Last thing I remember, I was drinking this glowing green sht out of a test tube and dancing like a bstard.