Molyneux wants critics to do him a favour - bit-tech.net Forums

CardJoe · 7th Oct 2008, 11:04

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/10...him-a-favour/1

Peter Molyneux likes Fable 2, but in the face of continued controversy wants game reviewers to do him a favour and get a non-gamer to review it.

Buzzons · 7th Oct 2008, 11:23

To be fair.. he may have a point if he has made it simple enough for everyone to enjoy.. hard core gamers will feel that they don't have enough control over their person etc...

proxess · 7th Oct 2008, 11:31

Maybe he could have made various control options, a bit like Fifa on Wii, with easy controls and advanced controls.

It would be interesting to see your mum's review.

Dreaming · 7th Oct 2008, 11:32

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So, what do you think? Should I have the game sent home so that my mum can review it, or would you prefer my thoughts?

A bit of both?

Maybe you do most pages then have a page on your mum's impressions hehe. Obviously it's a game a professional reviewer / journalist is going to do the best review of it in terms of testing the product for enjoyment and so on and what people actually want... otherwise nobody would read your reviews would they. But I think getting your mum to go on it for an hour and get her impressions would be good entertainment

CardJoe · 7th Oct 2008, 11:32

I wonder though: asking a non-gamer to review a game is flawed completely since they have no basis for comparison. It's like asking me to review Bugatti, knowing full well that I can't drive and never have.

pimlicosound · 7th Oct 2008, 11:34

I'm somewhat interested in what a non-gamer would think of Fable2, just for curiosity's sake, really. However, I wouldn't make purchasing decisions based on such opinions because, like most other bit-tech readers, I AM a gamer, and I want to know what the game has to offer someone like me, rather than what it offers someone who has neither clear expectations nor a gaming context in which to place his or her experiences.

Silver51 · 7th Oct 2008, 11:35

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Originally Posted by Dreaming

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Should I have the game sent home so that my mum can review it, or would you prefer my thoughts?

A bit of both?

Maybe you do most pages then have a page on your mum's impressions hehe. Obviously it's a game a professional reviewer / journalist is going to do the best review of it in terms of testing the product for enjoyment and so on and what people actually want... otherwise nobody would read your reviews would they. But I think getting your mum to go on it for an hour and get her impressions would be good entertainment

I agree, both you and your mum's opinions would be interesting to read in this circumstance.

steveo_mcg · 7th Oct 2008, 11:44

Whats the point, non gamers are pretty unlikely to buy it (unless i've missed something) and most of us here are gamers so why should WE care what non gamers think of it. I think that would stand for most gaming/hardware review sites, maybe Trusted Reivews should do it Molyneux way they seem to have a broader reach.

willowthewhite · 7th Oct 2008, 11:47

Maybe I'm being cynical but a non gamer would not realise the flaws in the game, that there are other games in the genre that do the same things only better or that it is a complete let down that has been over hyped.

I'm not saying this is the case with this game, but it always gets me suspicious when a games developer starts defending his game before it is released.

WILD9 · 7th Oct 2008, 12:01

He wants the game reviews to come from the perspective of the least likely person to play it? If its a good game both gamers and non gamers will enjoy it, look at lego star wars. Asking for a game review (almost certain to be read only by gamers) to be conducted by a non gamer is as ludicrous. I dont even understand why he would care, non gamers wont be reading the reviews.

Cupboard · 7th Oct 2008, 12:23

As with others, I am a bit lost as to why a non gamer would buy a game unless it had received really good reviews from the reviews (i.e Joe et al).
So Whilst a mum's (or mums') perspective would be nice I think Peter must have something to hide.

specofdust · 7th Oct 2008, 12:30

Isn't this pretty much like asking a car magazine to get a non-driver to ride the car in order to see the unique experiences which emerge, and so that they miss the flaws with the car?

Stupid, if you ask me. Games reviers review games for gamers. Not for non-gamers.

Flibblebot · 7th Oct 2008, 12:30

It's a pre-emptive strike for when the disappointing reviews come in.

"Aha!" Molyneux can say, "These reviews were written by professionals, and I told them to use non-professionals. Therefore these reviews are meaningless," He goes on to put his hands over his ears and start shouting, "La la la! I can't hear you! My game r0xx0rs!"

All the comments he's been making over the last few weeks have been to (a) generate interest in Fable 2; and (b) mitigate the damage caused when reviewers realise that this new game is nowhere near as ground-breaking as Molyneux promised us it would be.

UrbanMarine · 7th Oct 2008, 12:31

Simple hmmmm....spore :: cough cough :: stupid cold.

Peter shouldn't hype up a game so much and then water it down to make a release date. I'm a hardcore gamer and I find new experiences in games that are not half ass. What scares me is that Peter is making statements like this and it sounds like he has no confidence in his work.

Lepermessiah · 7th Oct 2008, 12:35

Just seems to me it is yet another dumbed down console game for the masses, consoles are the worst thing to happen to gaming. Molyneux, man, I hate every time I hear something come out of his mouth. Supid thing to say and speaks volumes about the game IMO.

hawky84 · 7th Oct 2008, 12:56

a game made for non-gamers... Que?

Veles · 7th Oct 2008, 13:28

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Originally Posted by CardJoe

I wonder though: asking a non-gamer to review a game is flawed completely since they have no basis for comparison. It's like asking me to review Bugatti, knowing full well that I can't drive and never have.

From the quote you made, he's not asking you to get a non-gamer to review the game but to see what a non-gamer makes of the game and take it into account in your review.

But yeah:

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Originally Posted by specofdust

Stupid, if you ask me. Games reviers review games for gamers. Not for non-gamers.

What non-gamer goes out and read reviews of games?

Lepermessiah · 7th Oct 2008, 13:53

What non-game buys games?, Come on bye.

UrbanMarine · 7th Oct 2008, 14:06

Could be one of those secret non-gamer gamers. Like the religious leaders that are against porn but get caught in underground bondage clubs.

TheoGeo · 7th Oct 2008, 14:23

A game for non-gamers is like a radio for deaf people

7th Oct 2008, 11:04	#1
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 8,010	Molyneux wants critics to do him a favour http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/10...him-a-favour/1 Peter Molyneux likes Fable 2, but in the face of continued controversy wants game reviewers to do him a favour and get a non-gamer to review it. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

7th Oct 2008, 11:31	#3
proxess Victim of AdvancedModernCapitalism Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The town of Love, Funchal Posts: 601	Maybe he could have made various control options, a bit like Fifa on Wii, with easy controls and advanced controls. It would be interesting to see your mum's review. __________________ Netbook: Asus eeePC 901; 12Gb SDD; Custom Ubuntu 9.04 Minimal Compiz Standalone. Laptop: Intel Centrino Duo T5500 1.66ghz; 2048mb RAM; ATI Mobility Radeon x2300; Hitachi 120gb iPod Classic 120GB; Maxtor 160GB External; Ubuntu 9.10 x64 and Windows 7 x64.

7th Oct 2008, 11:32	#5
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 8,010	I wonder though: asking a non-gamer to review a game is flawed completely since they have no basis for comparison. It's like asking me to review Bugatti, knowing full well that I can't drive and never have. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

7th Oct 2008, 11:44	#8
steveo_mcg What owl? Join Date: May 2005 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 3,998	Whats the point, non gamers are pretty unlikely to buy it (unless i've missed something) and most of us here are gamers so why should WE care what non gamers think of it. I think that would stand for most gaming/hardware review sites, maybe Trusted Reivews should do it Molyneux way they seem to have a broader reach. __________________ No boom today, boom tomorrow... there's always a boom tomorrow.

7th Oct 2008, 11:47	#9
willowthewhite Multimodder Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Norwich UK Posts: 160	Maybe I'm being cynical but a non gamer would not realise the flaws in the game, that there are other games in the genre that do the same things only better or that it is a complete let down that has been over hyped. I'm not saying this is the case with this game, but it always gets me suspicious when a games developer starts defending his game before it is released. __________________ Asus P5NE-SLI (EK-NB/SB ASUS1 + Alphacool VRM block), core 2 duo E6550 @ 2.8GHz (Danger Den MC-TDX), 2Gb corsair xms2 pc6400 800Mhz (5-5-5-12), 2x Asus Geforce EN8800gt 512Mb (EK-FC88GT/GTS), 19"lcd(1440x900) WD 150Gb raptor,WD 400Gb, Ocz 600w psu, Windows Vista 64 (SP1), Custom Antec P182.

7th Oct 2008, 11:23	#2
Buzzons Mod Master Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 2,086	To be fair.. he may have a point if he has made it simple enough for everyone to enjoy.. hard core gamers will feel that they don't have enough control over their person etc...

7th Oct 2008, 11:34	#6
pimlicosound Multimodder Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 119	I'm somewhat interested in what a non-gamer would think of Fable2, just for curiosity's sake, really. However, I wouldn't make purchasing decisions based on such opinions because, like most other bit-tech readers, I AM a gamer, and I want to know what the game has to offer someone like me, rather than what it offers someone who has neither clear expectations nor a gaming context in which to place his or her experiences.

7th Oct 2008, 12:01	#10
WILD9 Been here aaaaages Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cheltenham, UK Posts: 565	He wants the game reviews to come from the perspective of the least likely person to play it? If its a good game both gamers and non gamers will enjoy it, look at lego star wars. Asking for a game review (almost certain to be read only by gamers) to be conducted by a non gamer is as ludicrous. I dont even understand why he would care, non gamers wont be reading the reviews. __________________ e2180 @ 2700 \| Gigabyte P35C-DS3R \| Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro \| 2GB Crucail Ballistix PC 6400 \| Leadtek 8800 GTS 640 @ 600,1500,1700 \| 320GB Samsung F1 \| Coolermaster 710 \| Samsung 22" 223BW

7th Oct 2008, 12:23	#11
Cupboard I'm not a modder. Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bury St Edmunds/Durham Uni Posts: 1,848	As with others, I am a bit lost as to why a non gamer would buy a game unless it had received really good reviews from the reviews (i.e Joe et al). So Whilst a mum's (or mums') perspective would be nice I think Peter must have something to hide. __________________ i7 920, 8800GTS 512, 6GB Corsair all in an Intel DX58SO; 3*320GB RAID5; CM Stacker Samsung Q45.

7th Oct 2008, 12:30	#12
specofdust Banned Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Aberdeen, UK, EU Posts: 7,622	Isn't this pretty much like asking a car magazine to get a non-driver to ride the car in order to see the unique experiences which emerge, and so that they miss the flaws with the car? Stupid, if you ask me. Games reviers review games for gamers. Not for non-gamers. __________________ Like marmite, only no-one hates it Mmm bop!

7th Oct 2008, 12:30	#13
Flibblebot Free from artificial flavourings Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here, right now Posts: 2,233	It's a pre-emptive strike for when the disappointing reviews come in. "Aha!" Molyneux can say, "These reviews were written by professionals, and I told them to use non-professionals. Therefore these reviews are meaningless," He goes on to put his hands over his ears and start shouting, "La la la! I can't hear you! My game r0xx0rs!" All the comments he's been making over the last few weeks have been to (a) generate interest in Fable 2; and (b) mitigate the damage caused when reviewers realise that this new game is nowhere near as ground-breaking as Molyneux promised us it would be. __________________ My uber-system: 66Mhz 486DX2, 8Mb RAM, 20Mb hard drive, 256 colour VGA adaptor (goes all the way up to 800x600!), keyboard AND serial mouse

7th Oct 2008, 12:31	#14
UrbanMarine Government Prostitute Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: United States Posts: 1,015	Simple hmmmm....spore :: cough cough :: stupid cold. Peter shouldn't hype up a game so much and then water it down to make a release date. I'm a hardcore gamer and I find new experiences in games that are not half ass. What scares me is that Peter is making statements like this and it sounds like he has no confidence in his work. __________________ RIP: 3DRealms & Duke Nukem

7th Oct 2008, 12:35	#15
Lepermessiah Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 566	Just seems to me it is yet another dumbed down console game for the masses, consoles are the worst thing to happen to gaming. Molyneux, man, I hate every time I hear something come out of his mouth. Supid thing to say and speaks volumes about the game IMO.

7th Oct 2008, 12:56	#16
hawky84 SilentModder Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Swindon Posts: 101	a game made for non-gamers... Que? __________________ buy old, overclock and spend some damn money on the actual game!!! Q6600, Asus P5K-E WiFi, Corsair XMS2 2GB, Gainward 8800GT Gold Sample, WD Caviar SE16 500GB (x2), OCZ StealthXStream 600Watt, Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme, Akasa Amber 120mm (x3), Akasa Fan Controller, Antec Sonata

7th Oct 2008, 13:53	#18
Lepermessiah Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 566	What non-game buys games?, Come on bye.

7th Oct 2008, 14:06	#19
UrbanMarine Government Prostitute Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: United States Posts: 1,015	Could be one of those secret non-gamer gamers. Like the religious leaders that are against porn but get caught in underground bondage clubs. __________________ RIP: 3DRealms & Duke Nukem

7th Oct 2008, 14:23	#20
TheoGeo What are these goddamn animals?! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Reading Posts: 2,205	A game for non-gamers is like a radio for deaf people __________________ My Deviance -- My Music Athlon X2 4400+ -- 2GB Corsair XMS -- Geforce 7800GT -- Abit AN8-SLI -- 24" BenQ fp241w -- 74 gig raptor -- 1.6TB total storage -- 530w tagan psu Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.