TMS launches 20TB SSD-based SAN - bit-tech.net Forums

CardJoe · 29th Oct 2008, 09:09

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/10...sd-based-san/1

Texas Memory Systems has announced the commercial availability of its 20TB SAN systems based on Flash SSD technology, capable of 1m random IO transactions per second.

Neoki · 29th Oct 2008, 09:38

Well that is quite quick I would say :P.

Imagine around about 10 of these in your garage hahaha.

liratheal · 29th Oct 2008, 09:52

..****.

Where can I sell my families kidneys for one of these?

Do they take organs as direct payment?

Mongoose132 · 29th Oct 2008, 09:55

Screw my families, take mine O.o

Xtrafresh · 29th Oct 2008, 10:04

can some people please start calling them to get a pricing? i'm just too curious how unattainable this really is.

BTW... how is all that data transferred? eSATA = 3 GB/s, LAN = 1 GB/s, and nothing that springs to mind tops that.
I assume this is the sort of thing you'd hook up to an army of quadcore supercomputers, but how?

Woodstock · 29th Oct 2008, 10:14

@Mongoose
your kidneys wouldnt be worth a deposit on that

@xtrafresh
I thought the same thing until I realised that someone who can afford that probably has some form of fibre network already

ChaosDefinesOrder · 29th Oct 2008, 10:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xtrafresh

can some people please start calling them to get a pricing? i'm just too curious how unattainable this really is.

BTW... how is all that data transferred? eSATA = 3 GB/s, LAN = 1 GB/s, and nothing that springs to mind tops that.
I assume this is the sort of thing you'd hook up to an army of quadcore supercomputers, but how?

Fibre almost certainly. High end data centres have extensive fibre optic networks already so this SSD thingy could just drop right in.

_DTM2000_ · 29th Oct 2008, 11:20

Sounds good, I'll take two.

Seriously though, I thought someone would do this sometime soon. I can see this working nicely in a render farm or anywhere else you need to process large amounts of data quickly. I'd love to get something like this at work, it would be perfect for some new projects/products coming up next year. I doubt the company would quite stretch to the price of this version though.

The RamSan-5000 is basically a big rack of their RamSan-500 boxes for increased performance and redundancy.
I may look at getting a quote for the 500 instead as we wouldn't really need the redundancy of the 5000.

Hamish · 29th Oct 2008, 11:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xtrafresh

can some people please start calling them to get a pricing? i'm just too curious how unattainable this really is.

BTW... how is all that data transferred? eSATA = 3 GB/s, LAN = 1 GB/s, and nothing that springs to mind tops that.
I assume this is the sort of thing you'd hook up to an army of quadcore supercomputers, but how?

multiple fibre channel or gigE/10gigE or infiniband

edit:
http://www.superssd.com/products/tera-ramsan/indexb.htm
4-Gigabit Fibre Channel (2-Gigabit capable)

# 4x InfiniBand (10-Gigabit)
# Up to 32 ports available

Delphium · 29th Oct 2008, 11:36

hmmmmmmmmm *starts drooling into shoe

.. DO WANT

As a gustimate of price, taking ram and flash prices from scan...

640gb DDR ram....
4gb (pc2-8500) = £75

640/4 = 160
160x75 = £12,000 of 640gb pc2-8500 ram

then the remaining 19.4TB of flash
16gb flash = £70

19.4x1000 = 19400(gigs)
19400/16 = 1212.5
1212.5x70 = £84,847 (19.4TB of compact flash)
OR
19.4x1024 = 19865.6(gigs)
19865.6/16 = 1241.6
1241.6x70 = £86,912 (19.4TB of compact flash)

£84,847 + £12,000 = £96,875
OR
£86,912 + £12,000 = £98,912

+ controllor boards and rack casing

so £200,000 as a conservative guestimate

+ profits

lets say £250,000 would be a good place to start thinking, if not more.

hmmm shame I need the house to store the danm thing hehe

Hamish · 29th Oct 2008, 11:49

nah its more than that, iirc the individual ramsan-4/500's are a couple hundred k alone, this thing can hold up to 8 of them

airchie · 29th Oct 2008, 13:13

That's what I'm talkin about!
I can't understand why SCSI 15k rpm HDDs are still so popular?

Surely a good raid controller with a massive bank of standard old SATA HDDs would give pretty high throughput performance if not the same amount of Iops?
Surely the same with SSDs would give performance beyond 15k drives at similar capacities now?

salesman · 29th Oct 2008, 13:18

I wouldn't even know what to do with the thing if i had one.

Bursar · 29th Oct 2008, 14:11

OK, I've been in touch with them and priced up 5 of the RamSAN 500 2TB units, and they come in at $218,000 each. So that's over $1m for 10TB of storage!!!

Vigilante · 29th Oct 2008, 14:20

CCP, the makers of EVE Online, have always bought equipment from Texas Memory Systems. That'd be why their cluster supports up to 65,000 simultaneous users, I assume with a piece of kit like this they could increase that further.

Hamish · 29th Oct 2008, 14:57

CCP already have 2 (redundancy) Ramsan-500's running their database storage fyi

edit: and TQ damn sure cant handle 65k users lol

MajestiX · 29th Oct 2008, 15:01

100 gigabit copper is standardized i think in 2007 i think
you just don't hear about it because it's not feasible

fiber wise they can get way faster, this would be connected via fiber attached storage and the computer with a controller card be getting the data the rack is just an over priced hard drive that is extremely fast.

Firehed · 29th Oct 2008, 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bursar

OK, I've been in touch with them and priced up 5 of the RamSAN 500 2TB units, and they come in at $218,000 each. So that's over $1m for 10TB of storage!!!

Bit more than I expected, but this IS aimed at the likes of Facebook and Google after all, and other companies that need crazy-fast database storage.

B3CK · 29th Oct 2008, 16:18

didn't I read on Bit-Tech news quite a while back that EvE had purchased ramdrive servers from these guys to run their servers on?

B3CK · 29th Oct 2008, 16:27

Looked up their address to see if I might take a tour or something or other, but their located in houston, not around dfw, is too far of a drive for that. Texas is kinda big, and all the roads are crooked

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29th Oct 2008, 11:20	#8
_DTM2000_ Senior Super Douche Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sheffield, UK Posts: 229	Sounds good, I'll take two. Seriously though, I thought someone would do this sometime soon. I can see this working nicely in a render farm or anywhere else you need to process large amounts of data quickly. I'd love to get something like this at work, it would be perfect for some new projects/products coming up next year. I doubt the company would quite stretch to the price of this version though. The RamSan-5000 is basically a big rack of their RamSan-500 boxes for increased performance and redundancy. I may look at getting a quote for the 500 instead as we wouldn't really need the redundancy of the 5000.

29th Oct 2008, 11:36	#10
Delphium You there computer man fix my pants Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: on teh interwebz Posts: 1,256	hmmmmmmmmm starts drooling into shoe .. DO WANT As a gustimate of price, taking ram and flash prices from scan... 640gb DDR ram.... 4gb (pc2-8500) = £75 640/4 = 160 160x75 = £12,000 of 640gb pc2-8500 ram then the remaining 19.4TB of flash 16gb flash = £70 19.4x1000 = 19400(gigs) 19400/16 = 1212.5 1212.5x70 = £84,847 (19.4TB of compact flash) OR 19.4x1024 = 19865.6(gigs) 19865.6/16 = 1241.6 1241.6x70 = £86,912 (19.4TB of compact flash) £84,847 + £12,000 = £96,875 OR £86,912 + £12,000 = £98,912 + controllor boards and rack casing so £200,000 as a conservative guestimate + profits lets say £250,000 would be a good place to start thinking, if not more. hmmm shame I need the house to store the danm thing hehe __________________ \| Asus P5N32-E SLI \| Q6600 G0 @3.0ghz Watercooled \| 8GB Corsair Dominator PC8500 @1066mhz 5-5-5-15 2T \| XFX GTX285 \| BFG 8800GTS \| XFX 9600GT \| 1x 128GB Crucial M225 SSD \| 5x 500GB Seagate SATA-II \| BFG 800W SLI PSU \| Logitech Z-5500 5.1ch speakers \| 3x Dell S2209W 22"wide TFT's (5760x1080res) \| 1x Panasonic 42"Plasma \| All working on Win7 Ultimate x64* \|

29th Oct 2008, 11:49	#11
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	nah its more than that, iirc the individual ramsan-4/500's are a couple hundred k alone, this thing can hold up to 8 of them

29th Oct 2008, 13:18	#13
salesman Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 165	I wouldn't even know what to do with the thing if i had one.

29th Oct 2008, 14:11	#14
Bursar Hypermodder Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 700	OK, I've been in touch with them and priced up 5 of the RamSAN 500 2TB units, and they come in at $218,000 each. So that's over $1m for 10TB of storage!!! __________________ www.philspcmods.com - a rough guide

29th Oct 2008, 14:20	#15
Vigilante What's a Dremel? Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 12	CCP, the makers of EVE Online, have always bought equipment from Texas Memory Systems. That'd be why their cluster supports up to 65,000 simultaneous users, I assume with a piece of kit like this they could increase that further.

29th Oct 2008, 14:57	#16
Hamish I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: London Posts: 3,587	CCP already have 2 (redundancy) Ramsan-500's running their database storage fyi edit: and TQ damn sure cant handle 65k users lol

29th Oct 2008, 15:01	#17
MajestiX Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 122	100 gigabit copper is standardized i think in 2007 i think you just don't hear about it because it's not feasible fiber wise they can get way faster, this would be connected via fiber attached storage and the computer with a controller card be getting the data the rack is just an over priced hard drive that is extremely fast.

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29th Oct 2008, 16:27	#20
B3CK Supermodder Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 355	Looked up their address to see if I might take a tour or something or other, but their located in houston, not around dfw, is too far of a drive for that. Texas is kinda big, and all the roads are crooked __________________ "God loves stupid people, that is why he made so many of them." My best friend at M$ Tech support.