PlayStation 3 'unlikely to break even' - bit-tech.net Forums

CardJoe · 30th Oct 2008, 10:16

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/10...o-break-even/1

According to research firm DFC Intelligence, Sony's PS3 is unlikely to even break even in the current economic climate.

Cobalt · 30th Oct 2008, 10:24

This console generation hasn't really interested me. I own a Wii which I got as a present and I'd like to own the other consoles but really only to play Little Big Planet on the PS3 and Fable 2 on the 360 so it isn't worth it.

proxess · 30th Oct 2008, 10:34

Consoles don't really interest me either, even tho I do own a Wii (well my brother does).

p3n · 30th Oct 2008, 11:11

I mostly use my PS3 for playing media or bluray but some casual gaming is great now and again...

Deadwolf · 30th Oct 2008, 11:27

Perhaps if Sony quit blowing deals with their game makers and got some exclusives only to PS3, they might make a profit.. Why would you spent $600 for a PS3, when you can get an Xbox for $199 and play the same games.. just no blue ray.

mclean007 · 30th Oct 2008, 11:58

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Originally Posted by Deadwolf

Perhaps if Sony quit blowing deals with their game makers and got some exclusives only to PS3, they might make a profit.. Why would you spent $600 for a PS3, when you can get an Xbox for $199 and play the same games.. just no blue ray.

Check your figures - it's only $400 for a brand new 80GB PS3 vs $260 for a 20GB X360 ($300 for a 60GB) (prices from amazon.com). Still a difference, but nothing like you suggest. And for your money you get a much better built machine that doesn't sound like a harrier taking off, that includes Blu-Ray, and that doesn't charge a subscription to play online.

r4tch3t · 30th Oct 2008, 12:05

I will be getting a PS3 in the future when I can afford a screen to do it justice. I think that they will break even, just. But since they will undoubtedly be using the cell in the PS4 the research costs for the chip will be regained. So by this logic if you attribute half the research cost to the PS3 it just comes down to reducing the cost of the Blu-ray drive and reducing the cost of manufacturing of the cell chip.

speedfreek · 30th Oct 2008, 14:04

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Originally Posted by mclean007

Check your figures - it's only $400 for a brand new 80GB PS3 vs $260 for a 20GB X360 ($300 for a 60GB) (prices from amazon.com). Still a difference, but nothing like you suggest. And for your money you get a much better built machine that doesn't sound like a harrier taking off, that includes Blu-Ray, and that doesn't charge a subscription to play online.

That and you dont have to deal with people on xbox live.

devdevil85 · 30th Oct 2008, 14:17

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Originally Posted by Deadwolf

Perhaps if Sony quit blowing deals with their game makers and got some exclusives only to PS3, they might make a profit.. Why would you spent $600 for a PS3, when you can get an Xbox for $199 and play the same games.. just no blue ray.

Don't go there man. Stop comparing oranges to apples here.

Joeymac · 30th Oct 2008, 16:10

I got a Sony BDP350 Blu-Ray player for £130 the other day... so you can "just" about get a Blu-Ray player and a 360 for less than a PS3

talladega · 30th Oct 2008, 16:31

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Originally Posted by r4tch3t

I will be getting a PS3 in the future when I can afford a screen to do it justice. I think that they will break even, just. But since they will undoubtedly be using the cell in the PS4 the research costs for the chip will be regained. So by this logic if you attribute half the research cost to the PS3 it just comes down to reducing the cost of the Blu-ray drive and reducing the cost of manufacturing of the cell chip.

you realize you dont need a 40"+ screen to notice HD like so many people suggest?

you got an fairly new lcd computer monitor? use hdmi>dvi adpater and youre good to go.

people dont know what they are talking about when they say you cant notice the difference under 40" or so.

but you are right, the PS4 will do much better profit wise. Im sure they will use the Cell chip again along with BluRay. PS3 has caused the manufacturing costs of those to go down so when PS4 comes out it wont sell for a loss as long as the PS3 will.

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That and you dont have to deal with people on xbox live.

Very true. The average player age on PS3 is quite a bit higher as its more expensive so that means very few 12 years screaming into the mic trying to hit on older men pretending to be girls.

devdevil85 · 30th Oct 2008, 16:31

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Originally Posted by Joeymac

I got a Sony BDP350 Blu-Ray player for £130 the other day... so you can "just" about get a Blu-Ray player and a 360 for less than a PS3

Is it FW upgradeable? Also, what SKU of 360?

Dreaming · 30th Oct 2008, 16:44

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Originally Posted by devdevil85

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Originally Posted by Deadwolf

Perhaps if Sony quit blowing deals with their game makers and got some exclusives only to PS3, they might make a profit.. Why would you spent $600 for a PS3, when you can get an Xbox for $199 and play the same games.. just no blue ray.

Don't go there man. Stop comparing oranges to apples here.

As a business student I don't see how the PS3 and Xbox 360 are 'apples and oranges' - they're very much direct competitors in the sense that they both target the same customer - console gamers. They each have their unique selling perspectives but as it stands for those who would have either/or but just want any console that plays good games, they're probably going to go (and with good reason considering the cost and range of games etc.) with the xbox 360.

The thing with the PS3 though is it has a submarket of customers who buy specifically for the bluray compatibility which obviously the xbox doesn't have, so if you factor that in the cost may not be so significantly higher than the xbox for the utility you get - but to the core market that makes little difference, they'll get the best bang for buck and console gamers are generally more concerned about games than bluray.

My 2p.

Joeymac · 30th Oct 2008, 17:04

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Originally Posted by devdevil85

Is it FW upgradeable? Also, what SKU of 360?

It's a profile 2.0 blu-ray player with a network jack, upgradable over the internet and usb port for storage. Frickin bargain actually. Probably the 60GB of the 360. I've seen that for £140

.. that blu-ray player is £170 normally, there was a 'one day only' deal at Lasksy for £130.

But it's still possible to spend less than a PS3 and get all those features.

Veles · 30th Oct 2008, 19:08

You have to take into account though that the PS3 was a massive part of BR winning the format wars, so you can't really judge it on it's own, it's more accurate really to look at whether Sony will break even on the PS3 and BR combined, which I'm sure they will. From what I've read, game sales have never been higher and continue to rise, mainly because people see more value in buying a game than going to the cinema or whatever because you can keep on playing it or trade it in for a new game.

Mighty Yoshimi · 30th Oct 2008, 19:56

I own a ps3 i bought it last year cost 280 quid for a 40gb one around that time say an xbox 360 cost 160-170. True you get a console that was 110 quid cheaper, but then factor in that 3 years worth of xbox live costs about that much.
So if you offline game you save.

It's a hidden charge almost. and if you have xbox live access for 7 years (the approximate lifespan of the console) that's another 245 quid subscription at least 245 + 170 = 415

Cobalt · 30th Oct 2008, 20:08

I wouldn't use xbox live anyway if I had a 360. Online gaming has always been a better experience for me on the PC. I used to think counter strike players were bad before I got live for the original xbox and played some halo 2.

(PS: I am still of the firm belief that most counter strike players have the average IQ of half a brick)

johnmustrule · 30th Oct 2008, 20:30

The income they'll make from Blue Ray sales will far exceed their debt, after all, you don't have to make money off what you spent it on! The Ps3 was a format war soildier first and consol second, atleast to the bigwigs

Amon · 30th Oct 2008, 21:46

Turismo 5 will win some hearts. Not many. But it would be evidence to demolish the suggestion that nobody buys a game console for one game/franchise--as if Metal Gear Solid 4 wasn't enough of an example.

Monkey200SX · 30th Oct 2008, 21:57

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Originally Posted by Amon

Turismo 5 will win some hearts.

if it ever comes out,

i used ot be adie hard playstation fan ive had allgeneration of the last 2, and the PSP, but im so dissapointed with their putting gamesback i've given up, mainly Gran Turismo portable, that was supposed ot be released about a month after PSP origional launch, and then got shelved for GT5 and now rumoured to be back on after GT5 which IIRC is massivly delayed.

i bought a Wii only to keep my G/F happy i honestly thought it was a "gimmick" but now ive got some games that relly captued me and the controls feel natural, i would like a 360, but im not a big fan of FPS (i know there are other games)and the only game that really looksgood is Forza 2, and i cant wait for Forza 3, i may by a 360 then

30th Oct 2008, 10:16	#1
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r4tch3t hmmmm.... Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,887	I will be getting a PS3 in the future when I can afford a screen to do it justice. I think that they will break even, just. But since they will undoubtedly be using the cell in the PS4 the research costs for the chip will be regained. So by this logic if you attribute half the research cost to the PS3 it just comes down to reducing the cost of the Blu-ray drive and reducing the cost of manufacturing of the cell chip. __________________ Fight my Brute The quantum limit of reality might be scaled up because we're all holograms. Obviously. Once more we see that sufficiently advanced physics is indistinguishable from getting really stoned. From here

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Mighty Yoshimi Motormouth Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Gym Benching more than you Posts: 632	I own a ps3 i bought it last year cost 280 quid for a 40gb one around that time say an xbox 360 cost 160-170. True you get a console that was 110 quid cheaper, but then factor in that 3 years worth of xbox live costs about that much. So if you offline game you save. It's a hidden charge almost. and if you have xbox live access for 7 years (the approximate lifespan of the console) that's another 245 quid subscription at least 245 + 170 = 415 __________________ CPU = Intel Codename - Conroe (E6700 2.66ghz) @ 3.52Ghz RAM = 6GB PC -6400 DDR2 GFX = SLI 7900GTX oc'd @ 700/1700 Cooling = Water Cooled

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johnmustrule Supermodder Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 345	The income they'll make from Blue Ray sales will far exceed their debt, after all, you don't have to make money off what you spent it on! The Ps3 was a format war soildier first and consol second, atleast to the bigwigs __________________ "Your belief, unfortunately, is no endorsement of truth"

30th Oct 2008, 10:24	#2
Cobalt Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Surrey, UK Posts: 248	This console generation hasn't really interested me. I own a Wii which I got as a present and I'd like to own the other consoles but really only to play Little Big Planet on the PS3 and Fable 2 on the 360 so it isn't worth it.

30th Oct 2008, 11:11	#4
p3n Hypermodder Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 737	I mostly use my PS3 for playing media or bluray but some casual gaming is great now and again...

30th Oct 2008, 11:27	#5
Deadwolf Minimodder Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 24	Perhaps if Sony quit blowing deals with their game makers and got some exclusives only to PS3, they might make a profit.. Why would you spent $600 for a PS3, when you can get an Xbox for $199 and play the same games.. just no blue ray.

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Joeymac Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 224	I got a Sony BDP350 Blu-Ray player for £130 the other day... so you can "just" about get a Blu-Ray player and a 360 for less than a PS3

30th Oct 2008, 20:08	#17
Cobalt Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Surrey, UK Posts: 248	I wouldn't use xbox live anyway if I had a 360. Online gaming has always been a better experience for me on the PC. I used to think counter strike players were bad before I got live for the original xbox and played some halo 2. (PS: I am still of the firm belief that most counter strike players have the average IQ of half a brick)

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Amon inch-perfect Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: cannoning into the reds, Toronto, Canada Posts: 2,456	Turismo 5 will win some hearts. Not many. But it would be evidence to demolish the suggestion that nobody buys a game console for one game/franchise--as if Metal Gear Solid 4 wasn't enough of an example. __________________ Defunct Socket 939 San Diego 4000+::2GB PC3200::Radeon 9600 SE 128MB::200GB HDD::24" Dell 2407WFP-HC::WinXP x64/x86 dual boot Dell Vostro 1500 laptop::Socket P Merom T7100::2GB PC5400::Go 8600m GT 256MB::660GB HDD::15.4" WXGA+, 24" Dell 2407WFP-HC::WinXP::Fanatec 911 Wheel+Pedals