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CardJoe · 25th Nov 2008, 10:04

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/11...re-too-cheap/1

According to Weapon of Choice developer Nathan Fouts the vast majority of games on Xbox Live Arcade are underpriced.

[USRF]Obiwan · 25th Nov 2008, 10:30

I wanted to say: "who cares" but then I thought I rather not say that.

Blademrk · 25th Nov 2008, 10:30

Thought I'd downloaded all the XBLA demos but I don't think I remember that one.

Bursar · 25th Nov 2008, 11:06

It's a 'Community Game'. Unfortunately most of them are a bit pants, and barely worth 400 points, let alone 800 or higher.

Veles · 25th Nov 2008, 11:08

While I can understand his frustration at not being able to make a game say 700 points, **** like 799 is a massive no-no in my book. Firstly I think it's a retarded way of making people think something is cheaper than it is, and then we'd have a ton of loose change points we wouldn't be able to spend.

UrbanMarine · 25th Nov 2008, 12:32

I'd rather MS drop the point system and just do cash straight up like PS3.

D3s3rt_F0x · 25th Nov 2008, 12:33

All you need for the Xbox 360 is Atomic tank, without that game your life is not worth living.

Veles · 25th Nov 2008, 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by UrbanMarine

I'd rather MS drop the point system and just do cash straight up like PS3.

They used to have that system on the old xbox, but they changed to the points system. It allows you to get the DLC cheaper than RRP at least.

UrbanMarine · 25th Nov 2008, 12:57

Ah, I didn't know that...thx.

dyzophoria · 25th Nov 2008, 13:10

underpriced? if it was priced more, I doubt anyone will buy anything

whisperwolf · 25th Nov 2008, 13:16

I'm trying to work it out, a 1200 points game is about £9.50? and 800 point game is about £6.30? is that about right. if so it kinda tells me why i haven't bought anything from xbox live, i think i'll stick to buying the big games when they hit the sales sub £20 thanks.

TreeDude · 25th Nov 2008, 13:18

Hell no the games are not under priced. Especially 800 point games which have 200 point DLC too.

We need more Arcade compilation disks. Those things are a steal.

PQuiff · 25th Nov 2008, 13:59

Yeah cause we really need anotehr 1200 points castle crashers!
Good game...with pants online(crashes unable to join games etc) then we get charged more points for addons...WTF!!

AlexB · 25th Nov 2008, 14:08

I haven't bought any, as imho they're too much, as 99% of the games are shockingly pants.

Faulk_Wulf · 25th Nov 2008, 15:57

Slightly off topic but I'm guessing by the massive out of context use of "Pants" in these posts that it is a replacement word like when I say "cheesecake" and get cheesecake?

eternum · 25th Nov 2008, 17:52

or you're just not British

themax · 25th Nov 2008, 18:28

He'll get used to it eventually. I've actually caught myself wanting to use the same terms when I post around these boards without thinking. Guess you guys are starting to rub off on me

Cadillac Ferd · 25th Nov 2008, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Veles

While I can understand his frustration at not being able to make a game say 700 points, **** like 799 is a massive no-no in my book. Firstly I think it's a retarded way of making people think something is cheaper than it is, and then we'd have a ton of loose change points we wouldn't be able to spend.

MAN! How annoying would that be? You could only purchase points in gigantic block intervals then some jackass starts pricing things at 799 and other weird amounts.

I really wish that they just got rid of the whole Microsoft Points system all together and just charged you for purchases as you made them. I feel like people would've not been so upset about the pricing of things like Braid if they'd just seen the price directly in real dollars. 15$ for a really good (albeit short) game seems to feel less like a burden to me. That's like 1/4th the price of a "real" game and a game as good as Braid is definitely worth more than that.

Joeymac · 25th Nov 2008, 19:41

aaahahahaa. Too expensive. That's funny.
Firstly, I don't know much the arcade games are. The fact that they use points and don't show you the price means it's extremely rare I would even consider it.
Secondly, I had a quick look at the community games section, watched a crappy promo video which appeared to be running in fast forward. Then I looked at the games and laughed that they were charging for them.... and with no demo's. Who on earth would buy them??

Microsoft are really stupid if they think this points system actually makes them more money. It's a massive barrier in front of impulse purchases. Especially the video rental business, that's built on impulse purchases.

themax · 25th Nov 2008, 20:54

It does make them money though. Thanks to their staggered point setup, you almost always end up with more points than you needed to purchase the game. It may not seem much but if you take the potential millions of users on Xbox Live Gold who buy Arcade games, those left over points add up to a nice little chunk Microsoft rakes in.

25th Nov 2008, 10:04	#1
CardJoe Player Character bit-tech Staff Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 8,009	XNA dev: "Downloadable games are too cheap" http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/11...re-too-cheap/1 According to Weapon of Choice developer Nathan Fouts the vast majority of games on Xbox Live Arcade are underpriced. __________________ this is joe's non-bit-tech blog

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TreeDude Multimodder Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 239	Hell no the games are not under priced. Especially 800 point games which have 200 point DLC too. We need more Arcade compilation disks. Those things are a steal.

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PQuiff Supermodder Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 347	Yeah cause we really need anotehr 1200 points castle crashers! Good game...with pants online(crashes unable to join games etc) then we get charged more points for addons...WTF!!

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Faulk_Wulf Internet Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: USA Posts: 280	Slightly off topic but I'm guessing by the massive out of context use of "Pants" in these posts that it is a replacement word like when I say "cheesecake" and get cheesecake? __________________ -- Faulken S. Wulf "Under the Willow, he sleeps and dreams, of Heaven." Attempting to post intelligently since the year 2000!

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25th Nov 2008, 19:41	#19
Joeymac Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 224	aaahahahaa. Too expensive. That's funny. Firstly, I don't know much the arcade games are. The fact that they use points and don't show you the price means it's extremely rare I would even consider it. Secondly, I had a quick look at the community games section, watched a crappy promo video which appeared to be running in fast forward. Then I looked at the games and laughed that they were charging for them.... and with no demo's. Who on earth would buy them?? Microsoft are really stupid if they think this points system actually makes them more money. It's a massive barrier in front of impulse purchases. Especially the video rental business, that's built on impulse purchases.

25th Nov 2008, 20:54	#20
themax Hypermodder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 925	It does make them money though. Thanks to their staggered point setup, you almost always end up with more points than you needed to purchase the game. It may not seem much but if you take the potential millions of users on Xbox Live Gold who buy Arcade games, those left over points add up to a nice little chunk Microsoft rakes in. __________________ PSN: Nyne07 Xbox Live: Nine07 Wii Codes: Too damn many to remember CoD4 Class "Ghost" - MP5 Silenced/ UAV Jammer/ Silent Step Shhh be very very qwuiet....I'm hunting snipers....