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CardJoe · 9th Jan 2009, 09:15

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/200...ision-review/1

Gaming is about to burst out into the third dimension and we're there to take a look with the help of Nvidia's latest effort at stereoscopic gaming. Gone are the days of flimsy cardboard glasses and red and blue images though - this is 3D gaming as you've never seen it before!

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Dark~3nergy · 9th Jan 2009, 09:32

when you said you had problem in TF2, did you use the minimal HUD option or the default one ?

CardJoe · 9th Jan 2009, 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark~3nergy

when you said you had problem in TF2, did you use the minimal HUD option or the default one ?

Default.

[USRF]Obiwan · 9th Jan 2009, 09:48

I got a feeling I did this all before years ago. In fact I remember it like yesterday it was in 1999. Asus Vr100 running on a V3800 (TNT2) videocard with the game Descent2 on a 120hz CRT. It was fun at first but then my head started to hurt after a hour or so.

But guess what! Now you have to buy a brand new 120Hz LCD monitor (if you can find one) to make it work. ROFL....

Dark~3nergy · 9th Jan 2009, 09:49

did you try with the minimal setting ?
if you did, was it better ?

The boy 4rm oz · 9th Jan 2009, 10:02

I would rather fork out for a Dell 30" LCD than a 22" 120hz LCD, the 22" would probably cost more.

BentAnat · 9th Jan 2009, 10:03

120Hz LCD - that _IS_ a crippling factor... add to that that the goggles aren't exactly cheap, and that it (from what i gather) is NV only...

Spamius · 9th Jan 2009, 10:18

Yep, as Obiwan said, NVidia have done this before - I had the same setup years ago on an Asus Geforce2MX - never did get it working very well though.

Mister_X · 9th Jan 2009, 10:40

I'd probably spring for it if it wasn't for the no doubt shockingly expensive monitor requirement

Xtrafresh · 9th Jan 2009, 10:54

Funny, i just ordered the NIA, and i just bailed to the red team, AND i have no intention of replacing my screen.
I guess it'll take a while before i'll jump on board for these then

I saw that Zalman monitor at a LAN a while back, and a 42" counterpart too, but both of them just looked like there was something wrong, and gave me a headache after just 5 minutes.

Delphium · 9th Jan 2009, 11:03

I notice in the artice that the kit came supplied with a long DVI to HDMI cable, thus would it be safe to assume then that these glasses are compatible with digital displays?

Ive already got a set of the eDimensional 3D glasses which ive had for a few years now, which work in exactly the same way as these nvidia set, however the glasses refresh rate is linked to that of the VGA signal, so have to install a dongle between the gfx card a monitor.
So again I assume the refresh signal is supplied via USB for the nvidia set.

Can you also confirm that these worked in Vista... even better x64?
One of the main issues with the eDimensional set is that it lacked drivers, specially for vista.

Ive a 42" plasma screen which supports 120hz refresh, and can confirm that they do indeed work very well, I specially like Dawn Of War for this, the menu is rather awesome but then in game play just makes thing look like they popping out of the screen.
Which reminds me that I should really dig them out and try again with the new projector.

However yet again as experienced by bit-tech, headaches do soon start to arise after an hour or so of play.

Baz · 9th Jan 2009, 11:09

Just to clear some points up here

The tech works on any 120Hz monitor - CRT or TFT
We tested using both Vista 64 and 32 bit throughout.

Jordan Wise · 9th Jan 2009, 11:28

Whatever happened to the OCZ NIA review? I thought you got a sample one months back

CardJoe · 9th Jan 2009, 11:46

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Originally Posted by Jordan Wise

Whatever happened to the OCZ NIA review? I thought you got a sample one months back

We couldn't get reliable performance out of it at all even after four weeks of testing, so we decided not to venture an opinion. Some people (Tim mainly) could get it working very well and helpfully straight away sometimes, while I couldn't control it at all and didn't see the point of it. With no reliable foundation for an opinion, we decided it wouldn't be wise to publish.

Xtrafresh · 9th Jan 2009, 11:59

i frankly would have liked to ead your experiences with it anyway. If only the people that get it to work let themselves be heard on the net, but 90% never gets anything, i'll be wasting my money...

OnyxLilninja · 9th Jan 2009, 12:08

I am really looking forward to 3d gaming... however this doesn't quite do it for me. The holy grail for me is total immersion 3d gaming with headtracking etc, I want to be IN the game

n3mo · 9th Jan 2009, 12:21

I might have missed it, but what is the impact on framerates? I also had Asus VR100 once, they gave me a headache sooo quick

CardJoe · 9th Jan 2009, 12:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xtrafresh

i frankly would have liked to ead your experiences with it anyway. If only the people that get it to work let themselves be heard on the net, but 90% never gets anything, i'll be wasting my money...

We're not going to publish the review, which explores the issue and tech in great detail and weighs the arguement carefully...but my personal opinion is that it's a waste of money. I spent 4 weeks with it, trying desperately to get it to work and with guided help from the NIA's designer, who unlocked special driver utlities for me and gave me lots of advice. In order to play with it I had to ground myself by having one shoe off and my foot on the PC case, I had to avoid sweating or having any caffine and I couldn't talk or move my head when I played it. Even then I, personally, didn't get good results.

The review itself was never properly finished, but I certainly wouldn't advise getting one. 3DVision is a much better buy.

Bindibadgi · 9th Jan 2009, 12:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xtrafresh

i frankly would have liked to ead your experiences with it anyway. If only the people that get it to work let themselves be heard on the net, but 90% never gets anything, i'll be wasting my money...

We were also told the unit is broken or that it was EMI interference from our many open test benches and we should be getting better results, and there's the fact that I HAVE seen it working elsewhere (at OCZ mind you). Out of everything we don't want to give false information - it's the difference between a quality, rounded review and just a blog spouting crap

EDIT: Joe said

DougEdey · 9th Jan 2009, 13:01

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Originally Posted by CardJoe

snip* any caffine *SNIP

That rules out 99.9% of people that use computers!

9th Jan 2009, 09:15	#1
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9th Jan 2009, 09:32	#2
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BentAnat Software Dev Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Windhoek, Namibia Posts: 1,380	120Hz LCD - that _IS_ a crippling factor... add to that that the goggles aren't exactly cheap, and that it (from what i gather) is NV only... __________________ CHIRP? My Upcoming Site

9th Jan 2009, 10:18	#8
Spamius What's a Dremel? Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1	Yep, as Obiwan said, NVidia have done this before - I had the same setup years ago on an Asus Geforce2MX - never did get it working very well though.

9th Jan 2009, 10:40	#9
Mister_X Chaotic Neutral Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Falkirk Posts: 114	I'd probably spring for it if it wasn't for the no doubt shockingly expensive monitor requirement

9th Jan 2009, 10:54	#10
Xtrafresh Blame it on the Boogie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Nijmegen, Holland Posts: 1,918	Funny, i just ordered the NIA, and i just bailed to the red team, AND i have no intention of replacing my screen. I guess it'll take a while before i'll jump on board for these then I saw that Zalman monitor at a LAN a while back, and a 42" counterpart too, but both of them just looked like there was something wrong, and gave me a headache after just 5 minutes. __________________ AXGS Blog: A fresh look at P55. Fresh Fusion: Unfinished \| FFF: Name change and text update 19-11

9th Jan 2009, 11:03	#11
Delphium You there computer man fix my pants Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: on teh interwebz Posts: 1,256	I notice in the artice that the kit came supplied with a long DVI to HDMI cable, thus would it be safe to assume then that these glasses are compatible with digital displays? Ive already got a set of the eDimensional 3D glasses which ive had for a few years now, which work in exactly the same way as these nvidia set, however the glasses refresh rate is linked to that of the VGA signal, so have to install a dongle between the gfx card a monitor. So again I assume the refresh signal is supplied via USB for the nvidia set. Can you also confirm that these worked in Vista... even better x64? One of the main issues with the eDimensional set is that it lacked drivers, specially for vista. Ive a 42" plasma screen which supports 120hz refresh, and can confirm that they do indeed work very well, I specially like Dawn Of War for this, the menu is rather awesome but then in game play just makes thing look like they popping out of the screen. Which reminds me that I should really dig them out and try again with the new projector. However yet again as experienced by bit-tech, headaches do soon start to arise after an hour or so of play. __________________ \| Asus P5N32-E SLI \| Q6600 G0 @3.0ghz Watercooled \| 8GB Corsair Dominator PC8500 @1066mhz 5-5-5-15 2T \| XFX GTX285 \| BFG 8800GTS \| XFX 9600GT \| 1x 128GB Crucial M225 SSD \| 5x 500GB Seagate SATA-II \| BFG 800W SLI PSU \| Logitech Z-5500 5.1ch speakers \| 3x Dell S2209W 22"wide TFT's (5760x1080res) \| 1x Panasonic 42"Plasma \| All working on Win7 Ultimate x64 \|

9th Jan 2009, 11:09	#12
Baz Benchmarketeer bit-tech Staff Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Ruislip Posts: 589	Just to clear some points up here The tech works on any 120Hz monitor - CRT or TFT We tested using both Vista 64 and 32 bit throughout.

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Xtrafresh Blame it on the Boogie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Nijmegen, Holland Posts: 1,918	i frankly would have liked to ead your experiences with it anyway. If only the people that get it to work let themselves be heard on the net, but 90% never gets anything, i'll be wasting my money... __________________ AXGS Blog: A fresh look at P55. Fresh Fusion: Unfinished \| FFF: Name change and text update 19-11

9th Jan 2009, 12:08	#16
OnyxLilninja Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 75	I am really looking forward to 3d gaming... however this doesn't quite do it for me. The holy grail for me is total immersion 3d gaming with headtracking etc, I want to be IN the game __________________ Intel Core2Duo e8400 \| Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L \| Sapphire HD ATI 4770 512mb \| Corsair TwinX 4GB DDR2

9th Jan 2009, 12:21	#17
n3mo Multimodder Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 184	I might have missed it, but what is the impact on framerates? I also had Asus VR100 once, they gave me a headache sooo quick