Pirate Bay trial ends in guilty verdict - bit-tech.net Forums

CardJoe · 17th Apr 2009, 11:11

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/...ilty-verdict/1

Innocent or guilty? The verdict of The Pirate Bay trial is revealed, and the site plans to hold a press conference to discuss the court ruling later today.

perplekks45 · 17th Apr 2009, 11:19

They sounded very relaxed before the trial and it looked quite good when half the charges had to be dropped so this is some kind of surprise... or not to be honest.

I actually hoped this trial would help opening some business people's eyes about why music/games/apps get pirated. Well...

azrael- · 17th Apr 2009, 11:25

Once again it goes to show that given enough money you can bend the law to your own purposes.

KoenVdd · 17th Apr 2009, 11:26

Well this is a kick in the patootey of filesharers.

Fod · 17th Apr 2009, 11:26

people are going to comment this anyway so let me get it out of the way to allow for some intelligent conversation:

Stupid capitalists! Curse those people for trying to make some money.
People will always pirate
Open source is free.
only idiots use torrents anyway, newsgroups forever.

OK. i think i've covered everything there.

This sets an interesting precedent - we'll see a lot of other site owners being prosecuted and losing now. As for whether media distributors are beginning to understand this whole digital thing, i think they honestly are. DRM on digital media files is slowly but surely going away, so for music at the very least we have no excuse. The new battlefield is movies and TV shows, though. DRM is extraordinarily strict on those, and the fact that different regions have wildly different broadcasting/release schedules means that a lot more will need to change in order to support a DRM-free distribution model.

logan'srun · 17th Apr 2009, 11:32

this won't stick. They'll appeal and appeal and prolly will never spend a day in jail.

Accusing the website and the owners of being enablers is just as ludicrous as suing google over the same thing. I can search for torrents just as easily on Google. Does that mean they're going after them next? We all know how deep their pockets are. . .

cjoyce1980 · 17th Apr 2009, 11:34

hmmm...... expect more torrent sites and trackers to get the same jugdement soon and the website to be pulled, thats if the owners can be tracked.

i'm sure this wont really change anything though as the pirates always fine ways.... back to IRC then I guess as thats been going for decades and i've never seen a case brough to a IRC host.

Jenny_Y8S · 17th Apr 2009, 11:35

Difference is, google indexes everything! TPB only "cares" about the stuff that infringes copyright.

Should they go to jail? Nah, but the whole copyright legal framework needs a massive shakeup and without that I believe they were against the letter of the law.

Gareth Halfacree · 17th Apr 2009, 11:37

Yes, you can argue that Google could be sued for the same 'enabling' issue - but Google didn't call itself The Pirate Bay.

As much as I detest what's happened here, I always thought that a group calling itself The Pirate Bay claiming they didn't encourage or condone piracy was a bit... disingenuous.

perplekks45 · 17th Apr 2009, 11:37

DRM is going away? You mean, as in Sony DADC joining PCGA?

But I get your point. If only company's would learn from successful DRM models [for games] such as Steam. How you could create a good DRM model for movies I just don't see. Copy protection is a joke and by-passed within days usually.

impar · 17th Apr 2009, 11:47

Greetings!

Quote:

Originally Posted by perplekks45

I actually hoped this trial would help opening some business people's eyes about why music/games/apps get pirated.

Because freeloaders dont get caught?

Lets hope this decision helps in clarifying the grey zones of internet use/abuse and that, after the coming appeals, the decision stands.

perplekks45 · 17th Apr 2009, 11:54

How many get caught? I'd be surprised if it's anywhere near 5%.

Anyways, press conference here.

azrael- · 17th Apr 2009, 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by perplekks45

Anyways, press conference here.

Brilliant!

LeMaltor · 17th Apr 2009, 12:35

I'm stunned :O I hope they get off.

wuyanxu · 17th Apr 2009, 12:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fod

Stupid capitalists! Curse those people for trying to make some money.
People will always pirate
Open source is free.
only idiots use torrents anyway, newsgroups forever.

you got my base covered

it's just Swedish court right? elsewhere in the world would have different ruling right?

perplekks45 · 17th Apr 2009, 13:39

Unless the US try to force their law on some other country like they did with AllOfMp3.com and Russia...

Fod · 17th Apr 2009, 13:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by perplekks45

Unless the US try to force their law on some other country like they did with AllOfMp3.com and Russia...

er, the US government had nothing to do with it. Copyright holds internationally; the record labels sued them.

DraigUK · 17th Apr 2009, 13:58

Good. Hope any appeal fails miserably.

Edvuld · 17th Apr 2009, 14:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jenny_Y8S

Difference is, google indexes everything! TPB only "cares" about the stuff that infringes copyright.

There are actually legal torrents on TPB as well. Home-made movies etc...

fargo · 17th Apr 2009, 14:12

Its the right verdict, as you know if your robbing a bank and your driving the get away car your just
as guilty aka guilt by association.

17th Apr 2009, 11:11	#1
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17th Apr 2009, 11:19	#2
perplekks45 BSc... finally Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,352	They sounded very relaxed before the trial and it looked quite good when half the charges had to be dropped so this is some kind of surprise... or not to be honest. I actually hoped this trial would help opening some business people's eyes about why music/games/apps get pirated. Well... __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." Blame it on Cheaps! [now a social group]

17th Apr 2009, 11:25	#3
azrael- Ex nihilo nihil fit Join Date: May 2008 Location: Aarhus, Denmark Posts: 1,179	Once again it goes to show that given enough money you can bend the law to your own purposes. __________________ ''Trying is the first step towards failure.'' - Homer Simpson

17th Apr 2009, 11:26	#5
Fod what is the cheesecake? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London Posts: 4,908	people are going to comment this anyway so let me get it out of the way to allow for some intelligent conversation: Stupid capitalists! Curse those people for trying to make some money. People will always pirate Open source is free. only idiots use torrents anyway, newsgroups forever. OK. i think i've covered everything there. This sets an interesting precedent - we'll see a lot of other site owners being prosecuted and losing now. As for whether media distributors are beginning to understand this whole digital thing, i think they honestly are. DRM on digital media files is slowly but surely going away, so for music at the very least we have no excuse. The new battlefield is movies and TV shows, though. DRM is extraordinarily strict on those, and the fact that different regions have wildly different broadcasting/release schedules means that a lot more will need to change in order to support a DRM-free distribution model. __________________ "Sesame Street is brought to you by the letters P, W, N, the number 3, and the letter D." I'm a pretentious git with a camera. ISPs want to spy on you. Join the fight against phorm XBL/PSN/Steam ID: FodT

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17th Apr 2009, 11:26	#4
KoenVdd Multimodder Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 118	Well this is a kick in the patootey of filesharers.

17th Apr 2009, 11:32	#6
logan'srun following the footsteps of giants Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 309	this won't stick. They'll appeal and appeal and prolly will never spend a day in jail. Accusing the website and the owners of being enablers is just as ludicrous as suing google over the same thing. I can search for torrents just as easily on Google. Does that mean they're going after them next? We all know how deep their pockets are. . .

17th Apr 2009, 11:34	#7
cjoyce1980 Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK Posts: 344	hmmm...... expect more torrent sites and trackers to get the same jugdement soon and the website to be pulled, thats if the owners can be tracked. i'm sure this wont really change anything though as the pirates always fine ways.... back to IRC then I guess as thats been going for decades and i've never seen a case brough to a IRC host.

17th Apr 2009, 11:37	#9
Gareth Halfacree WIIGII! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bradford, UK Posts: 434	Yes, you can argue that Google could be sued for the same 'enabling' issue - but Google didn't call itself The Pirate Bay. As much as I detest what's happened here, I always thought that a group calling itself The Pirate Bay claiming they didn't encourage or condone piracy was a bit... disingenuous. __________________ gareth.halfacree.co.uk \| twitter! bit-tech news correspondent

17th Apr 2009, 11:54	#12
perplekks45 BSc... finally Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,352	How many get caught? I'd be surprised if it's anywhere near 5%. Anyways, press conference here. __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." Blame it on Cheaps! [now a social group]

17th Apr 2009, 12:35	#14
LeMaltor >^_^< Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: No. Posts: 1,397	I'm stunned :O I hope they get off. __________________ Welcoming the riff-raff since February 2009.

17th Apr 2009, 13:39	#16
perplekks45 BSc... finally Join Date: May 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 3,352	Unless the US try to force their law on some other country like they did with AllOfMp3.com and Russia... __________________ "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far." Blame it on Cheaps! [now a social group]

17th Apr 2009, 13:58	#18
DraigUK Multimodder Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 93	Good. Hope any appeal fails miserably.

17th Apr 2009, 14:12	#20
fargo Multimodder Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: new york,usa Posts: 152	Its the right verdict, as you know if your robbing a bank and your driving the get away car your just as guilty aka guilt by association.