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spooner · 6th Nov 2009, 03:40

Here's a nice simple question for my first post...

I'm building a new system, it will be used for everything other than gaming...and I do mean everything (well, everything I can imagine anyone ever doing with their PC).

Here's my spec list...

Corsair Obsidian 800D

Asus P6T Deluxe V.2

Intel i7 920 (I1366) - Corsair H50 (sealed unit liquid cooling thingy)

Corsair Dominator triple channel 6GB (1600)

Corsair Dominator Fan

XFX HD5770 (2 of them)

Enermax Revolution 1250Watt

Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (2 of them)

LG DVD GH22NS50

LITE-ON Ihos 104 Blu-ray

Hauppague Win-TV HVR 1799 (MCE Kit)

Samsung Lavender P2250 Monitors

What does everyone think? Can you make any suggestions? Anything you would add/remove? All suggestions welcomed gratefully.

Cheers

tonpal · 6th Nov 2009, 05:43

From the system you have posted I am guessing you are not limited by your budget.

A 1250W PSU is way over the top. If you want to stick with the Enermax Revolution go with the 850W model.

Sh0cKeR · 6th Nov 2009, 07:49

The Corsair case is really quite terrible for air cooling. I'd suggest either the Antec 1200 or HAF 932. As for graphics power, well crossfire or not HD5770's don't have much going for them ( Seem to be not much over the stupidly out of date GTS250/8800 GTS ).

oatey4519 · 6th Nov 2009, 09:33

Now that is a very nice set up mate..

^and i disagree..
The 800D is an amazing case
Got mine this week - a dream to work with.
Cable management is outstanding & Cooling is great.
Added 3 extra 120mm to the top of case as well.
Read this review:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/corsai...-review-test/1
Bought a Corsair H50 CPU cooler with it as well.

All looks good... Go for it

tonpal · 6th Nov 2009, 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0cKeR

As for graphics power, well crossfire or not HD5770's don't have much going for them ( Seem to be not much over the stupidly out of date GTS250/8800 GTS ).

The HD5770 is a difficult one. On one hand it is not the most powerful card around in its price bracket. On the other hand it is DX11 compliant and it does scale well in crossfire. Two HD5770s will cost around the same as one HD5850 and will perform better.

adam_bagpuss · 6th Nov 2009, 11:26

save the money get 5850 and lower the PSU down to 650W.

also make sure the samsung 1TB are F3 revision not F1 now.

oatey4519 · 6th Nov 2009, 12:18

surely he's need a higher PSU for running that lot..
ok running Ati lowers the level, but still more than 650w...

850W min i'd say

tonpal · 6th Nov 2009, 12:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by oatey4519

surely he's need a higher PSU for running that lot..
ok running Ati lowers the level, but still more than 650w...

850W min i'd say

...and the need for 850W is based on?

oatey4519 · 6th Nov 2009, 13:06

not a lot..

future proofing..
650W just seems a bit low for running all he wants..
and for the sake of a few quid more.
also if he changes from Ati to Nvidia then he will need it - Sli/Dual card etc
ok 750w - i'm running on this and all is fine.

adam_bagpuss · 6th Nov 2009, 13:15

im running a i7 920 @ 4Ghz with a 1GB 4870 and 6GB of RAM with the usual rest as well.

ive got a 650W PSU and its more than enough.

there is no need for anything bigger unless you have some specific need like SLI/xfire a million HDD and additional cards plugged in etc.

tonpal · 6th Nov 2009, 13:21

If you allow 130W for the CPU and 100W for each of the graphics cards that comes to around 350W. I think you probably could get away with 650W.

As far as future proofing goes the move to smaller process nodes probably negates the need to have too much spare capacity in the power supply.

spooner · 7th Nov 2009, 03:14

Thanks for all the responses, I'm impressed considering it's only been 24 hours and this board must see hundreds of similar questions!

OK, I'm gonna address some of the issues/questions raised so far..

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonpal

From the system you have posted I am guessing you are not limited by your budget.

A 1250W PSU is way over the top. If you want to stick with the Enermax Revolution go with the 850W model.

The Enermax 850 is £165.13 and the 1250 is £217.35...so that's £52.22 more...not exactly breaking the bank but certainly money I could direct elsewhere if I'm convinced I'd never require this much power.

Which leads me onto....

Quote:

Originally Posted by oatey4519

surely he's need a higher PSU for running that lot..
ok running Ati lowers the level, but still more than 650w...

850W min i'd say

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonpal

...and the need for 850W is based on?

Quote:

Originally Posted by oatey4519

not a lot..

future proofing..
650W just seems a bit low for running all he wants..
and for the sake of a few quid more.
also if he changes from Ati to Nvidia then he will need it - Sli/Dual card etc
ok 750w - i'm running on this and all is fine.

To clarify...I am well aware that this is HUGE overkill, it was intended to be and it was an educated decision. I used a PSU calculator here

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0cKeR

The Corsair case is really quite terrible for air cooling. I'd suggest either the Antec 1200 or HAF 932.

The case is the only thing I am totally sold on...and I'd have to respectfully disagree with your belief...I can only assume that you belief is based on the lack of front intake fan.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0cKeR

As for graphics power, well crossfire or not HD5770's don't have much going for them ( Seem to be not much over the stupidly out of date GTS250/8800 GTS ).

I did rather a lot of head scratching regarding the graphics...It's not a technology I understand and the advice out there is rather gamer focused (I pointed out that I'm not currently a gamer, nor would I expect to be any time soon). I am going to be running two 22" monitors (already got them and that are AMAZING) at 1920 x 1080 and doing the normal photoshop, video editing, blu-ray etc. My final decision was based on various reviews including one at Hexux which stated "Having tested a plethora of AMD cards in recent weeks, we'd recommend users consider two HD 5770s at the expense of any other >£200 card. The mid-range Radeons combine performance and features in equal measure, and, obviously, you can always purchase one now and then add another at a later date."

Quote:

Originally Posted by adam_bagpuss

also make sure the samsung 1TB are F3 revision not F1 now.

Noted, Thanks.

Anymore advice guys? I'm particularly interest in opinions on the GFX and RAM choices I've made.

spooner · 7th Nov 2009, 03:23

List now edited (first post)

Awaiting Mod approval on follow-up post??

oatey4519 · 7th Nov 2009, 10:34

Nice
Seems that your all sorted...

You'll enjoy putting that lot together & using it..
Enjoy

Bindibadgi · 7th Nov 2009, 10:42

Man you really like Corsair don't you :P

Good brand, but lets not go over the top!

Seasonic M12-D 850W or Enermax Revolution 85+ 850W: you will never, ever use this much power. Unless you plan on having FOUR graphics cards.

Corsair is expensive memory in the UK: yea, it looks nice but you can get the same exact thing for less so shop around. You don't need the cooler for it too, it's completely unnecessary.

For the cash you're willing to throw at the 1250W, expensive memory and two 5770s - wait until you can buy the 5850 and a 120GB SSD. Don't both with RAIDing those F1s and for the love of god please don't bother with CrossFire. The P6TD Deluxe is out now too, which replaces the V2: same price, tweaked design (again).

Quote:

Originally Posted by oatey4519

Read this review:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/corsai...-review-test/1

Yet ANOTHER 800d review and no cooling performance analysis? I'm gonna kick Hilbert next time I see him.

oatey4519 · 7th Nov 2009, 11:09

Sorry Bindi
It was there...

You do that.. kick it..

Well i love the case.

smc8788 · 7th Nov 2009, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

Man you really like Corsair don't you :P

Good brand, but lets not go over the top!

Seasonic M12-D 850W or Enermax Revolution 85+ 850W: you will never, ever use this much power. Unless you plan on having FOUR graphics cards.

Corsair is expensive memory in the UK: yea, it looks nice but you can get the same exact thing for less so shop around. You don't need the cooler for it too, it's completely unnecessary.

For the cash you're willing to throw at the 1250W, expensive memory and two 5770s - wait until you can buy the 5850 and a 120GB SSD. Don't both with RAIDing those F1s and for the love of god please don't bother with CrossFire. The P6TD Deluxe is out now too, which replaces the V2: same price, tweaked design (again).

Yet ANOTHER 800d review and no cooling performance analysis? I'm gonna kick Hilbert next time I see him.

+1 to all of that.

I can't believe the number of people that are putting blind faith into the 800D just because it's made by Corsair and proclaiming it as the best thing since sliced bread. I can only assume that these people have never even heard of Lian-Li.

I also can't believe how many people actually believe they need a 1250W PSU. You say it was an educated guess, but it clearly couldn't have been because if you had done a bit of research you would see that you wouldn't even need half that. You're basically throwing over £100 away, because you can get a top of the range 650W PSU for £100, and you will never draw more than 600W from that 1250W PSU with that system. When will people learn that more Watts =/= better? Even for future proofing it doesn't make any sense; the new technology is actually reducing power consumption considerably over the previous generation, and that will only decrease with further die shrinks etc.

tonpal · 7th Nov 2009, 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bindibadgi

Yet ANOTHER 800d review and no cooling performance analysis? I'm gonna kick Hilbert next time I see him.

you may find this review more to your liking. It does show that the Obsidian performs better with a H50 than with standard air cooling.

smc8788 · 7th Nov 2009, 11:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by tonpal

you may find this review more to your liking. It does show that the Obsidian performs better with a H50 than with standard air cooling.

Yeah, but that much is obvious and would be the same in any case. Even with the H50 though, it still can't match a stock air-cooled 922.

tonpal · 7th Nov 2009, 11:42

I said the performance was better, not that is was good.

You are quite right though, there are a lot of cheaper cases that have far better thermal performance than the Obsidian.

6th Nov 2009, 03:40	#1
spooner What's a Dremel? Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4	New Build Advice Here's a nice simple question for my first post... I'm building a new system, it will be used for everything other than gaming...and I do mean everything (well, everything I can imagine anyone ever doing with their PC). Here's my spec list... Corsair Obsidian 800D Asus P6T Deluxe V.2 Intel i7 920 (I1366) - Corsair H50 (sealed unit liquid cooling thingy) Corsair Dominator triple channel 6GB (1600) Corsair Dominator Fan XFX HD5770 (2 of them) Enermax Revolution 1250Watt Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (2 of them) LG DVD GH22NS50 LITE-ON Ihos 104 Blu-ray Hauppague Win-TV HVR 1799 (MCE Kit) Samsung Lavender P2250 Monitors What does everyone think? Can you make any suggestions? Anything you would add/remove? All suggestions welcomed gratefully. Cheers Last edited by spooner; 7th Nov 2009 at 03:22.

6th Nov 2009, 07:49	#3
Sh0cKeR hc/w=hf=e Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Hertfordshire,England Posts: 171	The Corsair case is really quite terrible for air cooling. I'd suggest either the Antec 1200 or HAF 932. As for graphics power, well crossfire or not HD5770's don't have much going for them ( Seem to be not much over the stupidly out of date GTS250/8800 GTS ). __________________ Core i7 920 D0 @ 3.5GHz , Titan Fenrir /./ EVGA GTX 285 SuperSuperClocked -SLI- /./ Asus Rampage II Extreme X58 + Supreme X-Fi /./ Corsair Dominator 6Gb @ 1758MHz CL 8 9 8 20 /./ WD Velociraptor 300Gb /./ 1Tb Samsung Spinpoint F1 /./ Enermax Revolution 85+ 1050w /./ Antec 900 V2 I modded a Womble

6th Nov 2009, 09:33	#4
oatey4519 can't be arsed... Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cambs, Uk Posts: 225	Now that is a very nice set up mate.. ^and i disagree.. The 800D is an amazing case Got mine this week - a dream to work with. Cable management is outstanding & Cooling is great. Added 3 extra 120mm to the top of case as well. Read this review: http://www.guru3d.com/article/corsai...-review-test/1 Bought a Corsair H50 CPU cooler with it as well. All looks good... Go for it __________________ Intel i7 920 D0 @4.0Ghz - Corsair H50 - 6GB Corsair XMS DDR3 1600 - ASUS 6T Deluxe v2 - 1TB Samsung F1 - 2 x XFX GTX260 Sli - Corsair 750w - Corsair 800D(its massive) - Dell 2209W 1920 x 1080

6th Nov 2009, 12:18	#7
oatey4519 can't be arsed... Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cambs, Uk Posts: 225	surely he's need a higher PSU for running that lot.. ok running Ati lowers the level, but still more than 650w... 850W min i'd say __________________ Intel i7 920 D0 @4.0Ghz - Corsair H50 - 6GB Corsair XMS DDR3 1600 - ASUS 6T Deluxe v2 - 1TB Samsung F1 - 2 x XFX GTX260 Sli - Corsair 750w - Corsair 800D(its massive) - Dell 2209W 1920 x 1080

6th Nov 2009, 13:06	#9
oatey4519 can't be arsed... Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cambs, Uk Posts: 225	not a lot.. future proofing.. 650W just seems a bit low for running all he wants.. and for the sake of a few quid more. also if he changes from Ati to Nvidia then he will need it - Sli/Dual card etc ok 750w - i'm running on this and all is fine. __________________ Intel i7 920 D0 @4.0Ghz - Corsair H50 - 6GB Corsair XMS DDR3 1600 - ASUS 6T Deluxe v2 - 1TB Samsung F1 - 2 x XFX GTX260 Sli - Corsair 750w - Corsair 800D(its massive) - Dell 2209W 1920 x 1080

6th Nov 2009, 05:43	#2
tonpal Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Surrey, UK Posts: 270	From the system you have posted I am guessing you are not limited by your budget. A 1250W PSU is way over the top. If you want to stick with the Enermax Revolution go with the 850W model.

6th Nov 2009, 11:26	#6
adam_bagpuss FFXI Asura Server - Blackstarr Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South yorkshire Posts: 723	save the money get 5850 and lower the PSU down to 650W. also make sure the samsung 1TB are F3 revision not F1 now.

6th Nov 2009, 13:15	#10
adam_bagpuss FFXI Asura Server - Blackstarr Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South yorkshire Posts: 723	im running a i7 920 @ 4Ghz with a 1GB 4870 and 6GB of RAM with the usual rest as well. ive got a 650W PSU and its more than enough. there is no need for anything bigger unless you have some specific need like SLI/xfire a million HDD and additional cards plugged in etc.

6th Nov 2009, 13:21	#11
tonpal Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Surrey, UK Posts: 270	If you allow 130W for the CPU and 100W for each of the graphics cards that comes to around 350W. I think you probably could get away with 650W. As far as future proofing goes the move to smaller process nodes probably negates the need to have too much spare capacity in the power supply.

7th Nov 2009, 03:23	#13
spooner What's a Dremel? Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 4	List now edited (first post) Awaiting Mod approval on follow-up post??

7th Nov 2009, 10:34	#14
oatey4519 can't be arsed... Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cambs, Uk Posts: 225	Nice Seems that your all sorted... You'll enjoy putting that lot together & using it.. Enjoy __________________ Intel i7 920 D0 @4.0Ghz - Corsair H50 - 6GB Corsair XMS DDR3 1600 - ASUS 6T Deluxe v2 - 1TB Samsung F1 - 2 x XFX GTX260 Sli - Corsair 750w - Corsair 800D(its massive) - Dell 2209W 1920 x 1080

7th Nov 2009, 11:09	#16
oatey4519 can't be arsed... Join Date: May 2009 Location: Cambs, Uk Posts: 225	Sorry Bindi It was there... You do that.. kick it.. Well i love the case. __________________ Intel i7 920 D0 @4.0Ghz - Corsair H50 - 6GB Corsair XMS DDR3 1600 - ASUS 6T Deluxe v2 - 1TB Samsung F1 - 2 x XFX GTX260 Sli - Corsair 750w - Corsair 800D(its massive) - Dell 2209W 1920 x 1080

7th Nov 2009, 11:42	#20
tonpal Supermodder Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Surrey, UK Posts: 270	I said the performance was better, not that is was good. You are quite right though, there are a lot of cheaper cases that have far better thermal performance than the Obsidian.