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Old 27th Jan 2010, 15:04   #1
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Seagate announces PCIe SSDs

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...es-pcie-ssds/1

Seagate has announced a continuation of its partnership with controller specialist LSI, and the plans for the companies to release a range of PCI Express-connected SSDs.
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Old 27th Jan 2010, 15:47   #2
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Mechanical drives definitely have had their day numbered, however all the manufacturers are doing their best to keep the price of SSD's high for as long as possible, so the day the old HDD becomes truly obsolete may be a little way off yet.
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Old 27th Jan 2010, 16:05   #3
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It doesn't make sense to me. The whole 'supply and demand' thing seems to have been broken. There is high demand for SSD's and as far as I know, ample supply, so why aren't prices going down? Doesn't make much sense.
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Old 27th Jan 2010, 17:07   #4
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well you need to thnk of it lie this in buissness they see wether they could either

1.make more money byselling many at a low price

2sellin few at a higher price

and at themoment he companise are doing number 2 becasue as long as there is high demand for them at that price they will keep it there its the same as the iphone. for example a 32gb iphone is £674.
now i dont know about you but the ipone is not worth 600 pounds to make it would probably cost them less than £200 but because of the popularity of it they wont lower the price becasue it brings in a lot of money
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Old 27th Jan 2010, 17:09   #5
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I think that the issue is in the supply of NAND flash memory that are in SSDs. From what I've heard, the sudden increase in production of SSDs caused the price of NAND chips to go way up (and thus keep the consumer SSD market price high).
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Old 27th Jan 2010, 17:44   #6
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Mechanical drives will continue to be the choice for mass storage of media. SSD will be the drive of choice for running applications and operating systems. It might be a couple more generations before SSD becomes cheap enough on such a large scale and still have acceptable capacity. I would like to see more PCIe based SSD drives. The whole concept of making a consumer SSD with SATA suggests that the drive is intended to be used externally.
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Old 27th Jan 2010, 18:37   #7
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If the article about SSD's doesn't involve a price drop, who cares.
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Old 27th Jan 2010, 18:49   #8
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@Bit-tech, are you guys gonna review some 2tb drives soon? There's quite a few out there now. Just wondering as I desperately need one
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It doesn't make sense to me. The whole 'supply and demand' thing seems to have been broken. There is high demand for SSD's and as far as I know, ample supply, so why aren't prices going down? Doesn't make much sense.
as long as they keep selling out their stock at this price then they will not lower it. it is only when they find themselves unable to sell all their stock at current prices that the price will fall. that is how supply and demand works: prices only fall when supply outproduces demand at that price point, and even then there is usually a market lag the keeps prices artificially high for a few weeks.
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How many PCIe or PCIe 2 channels would it take to provide more bandwidth than the new SATA 6 Gb/sec standard?
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Old 27th Jan 2010, 21:45   #11
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just one

SATA 6 Gb/sec is only 600MB a second max

(there are ocz ones allready out that have 1tb just search on google)
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Isn't 6 Gb/s = 768 MB/s? (6144Mb/s * 1MB/8Mb = 768 MB/s)

Either way, that's an acceptable speed for me.... though I suppose I don't have any servers, which would see more of a benefit from that bandwidth.
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So why can't they make cheap* PCIe SSD's with a normal amount of NAND flash? (128/256 GB ish)

*When I say cheap, I mean compared to these 1TB enterprise drives.

At last a use for all those x1 PCIe slots.
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Old 28th Jan 2010, 04:57   #15
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interesting to see some 1x PCIe consumer drives. might also reduce latency although it's already stupid low.

people are misinterpreting the supply and demand and laffler curve. demand is high and supply is decent, but there's a price to manufacture. when a technology is still relatively new there's plenty of room to inovate in creating said product. As long as demand remains high, I'm sure manufacturers will figure out how to reduce costs as fabs come online and the technology matures. There's a lower limit on the price to manufacture.

A lot of the cost is R&D. That is much lower for mechanical hdd's as they are much more mature and all the changes are incrimental.

I'm guessing over the next few years. we'll see bigger and bigger market penetration first in laptops then desktops, because IMO storage demand is not increasing at the same pace as HDD size. I mean most grand parent or family computer types will never fill a 1tb HDD. My mom has a 120gig hdd and even with pictures and her small music collection she'll never fill it.
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Isn't 6 Gb/s = 768 MB/s? (6144Mb/s * 1MB/8Mb = 768 MB/s)

Either way, that's an acceptable speed for me.... though I suppose I don't have any servers, which would see more of a benefit from that bandwidth.
actually it is i just didnt bother to take into account the 1024 bit rate or bothering to convert it
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basically SSD's will be great, when they actually get to the party with the beer, they are just taking their time
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