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Old 23rd Apr 2010, 12:26   #1
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Samsung plans its own netbook chips

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...etbook-chips/1
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Old 23rd Apr 2010, 12:30   #2
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it may not be netbook chips, Samsung is known to be one of the manufacturer of ARM processors.
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In before the obligatory "Will there be a 2013" comment.

I'm pretty sure that before Aquila is even produced, Cortex A10 would have been out, and used by a few manufacturers already.
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A brave move, especially over such a long timeframe. Will have to wait and see this pans out.
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This is hardly news, since Samsung is one of two biggest ARM manufacturers (second only to Qualcomm). And while it would be great to see ARM as competition to Intel, those chips are most likely aimed at smartphones - a 1GHz Snapdragon platform is already available (Nexus One, HTC Desire), and it's just a matter of time until we'll see multicore CPUs in smartphones. Mostly Android ones, because WinMo can't use multithreading, Maemo is very efficient (it flies like a bird on a 600MHz Cortex) and Android, thanks to Dalvik, needs lots of processing power (I know, Dalvik is efficient for a VM - but every VM is crap, even efficient one).
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ARM chips are not x86 compatable but if they run Linux is there a work around for DOS emulation?

I would definately be put off if there was not as the thought of not being able to play games would be a turnoff.
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I read this somewhere else who seemed to think Samsung had released ARMs roadmap (leaked)??!
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It'll be interesting to see battery life v performance statistics. However, what's the graphics chip going to be, or am I being stupid and ARM processors have integrated graphics/do the graphics work..?
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Thats great, but how much power will one of these quads suck down and will the software use it fully? Whats to stop intel releasing an atom quad or improving the current atom? After all, how much power do you need for surfing the interweb or maybe watching a film before your looking for the fastest your money can buy? Low power 15" devices are whats needed now.
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It'll be interesting to see battery life v performance statistics. However, what's the graphics chip going to be, or am I being stupid and ARM processors have integrated graphics/do the graphics work..?
ARM processors can do the graphics work (look at all Freescale based Nokia's, all are quite lousy in 3D rendering because the CPU chews all the graphical data. OMAP platforms uses a dedicated GPU, Snapdragon uses a dedicated (and admittedly aging ATI) GPU, and Samsung's chips more or less ARE OMAP (The chip in the Apple iPhone 3GS, for example, came from one of Samsung's foundries and a PowerVR SGX535 GPU, which is the 'big' brother of the PowerVR SGX530 GPU, which the OMAP platform uses.)

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Thats great, but how much power will one of these quads suck down and will the software use it fully? Whats to stop intel releasing an atom quad or improving the current atom? After all, how much power do you need for surfing the interweb or maybe watching a film before your looking for the fastest your money can buy? Low power 15" devices are whats needed now.
x86 is still too inefficient for now - there's a reason why intel has not released a dual core atom (for laptops) yet. The heat one of the latest (laptop bound) Atom processors is 5.5W, and that is ONLY the chip, not inclusive of the chipset. Quad it, and it'd most likely end up roughly 22W. The entire OMAP3430 platform only releases 0.5W of heat? HUUUGE difference, dude.

Also, for low power 15" devices, heard of CULV...?
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hmm Wintel versus SamUbu or SamsChrome18" Lets see who wins! lol
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hmm Wintel versus SamUbu or SamsChrome18" Lets see who wins! lol
In terms of sales Wintel will dominate. Effortlessly.
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ARM processors can do the graphics work (look at all Freescale based Nokia's, all are quite lousy in 3D rendering because the CPU chews all the graphical data. OMAP platforms uses a dedicated GPU, Snapdragon uses a dedicated (and admittedly aging ATI) GPU, and Samsung's chips more or less ARE OMAP (The chip in the Apple iPhone 3GS, for example, came from one of Samsung's foundries and a PowerVR SGX535 GPU, which is the 'big' brother of the PowerVR SGX530 GPU, which the OMAP platform uses.)



x86 is still too inefficient for now - there's a reason why intel has not released a dual core atom (for laptops) yet. The heat one of the latest (laptop bound) Atom processors is 5.5W, and that is ONLY the chip, not inclusive of the chipset. Quad it, and it'd most likely end up roughly 22W. The entire OMAP3430 platform only releases 0.5W of heat? HUUUGE difference, dude.

Also, for low power 15" devices, heard of CULV...?
that just got me remembering a CPC review on the dual core atoms in which they said the chipset was still the bigger power drain. Im surprised intel hasn't really addressed this yet. I guess theyre waiting to integrate CPU and GPU to solve that issue.
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that just got me remembering a CPC review on the dual core atoms in which they said the chipset was still the bigger power drain. Im surprised intel hasn't really addressed this yet. I guess theyre waiting to integrate CPU and GPU to solve that issue.
The entire thing (N450 + chipset) now is supposed to only consume 7W, of which the CPU contributes 5.5W. Mostly because they shifted the GPU to the CPU package, though.

SO yes, it has already been done by Intel - albeit by a not very orthodox method. Cedar View SHOULD see Intel having both the CPU and GPU in the same die, not just on the same package. TDP should fall as a result.
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Fishing for customers to help with R&D?

Also will this rush into net-books, and their required high efficiency processors and lean OS, put pressure on x86/x64 OS or maybe even a new OS standard?

Just a thought on market pressures...
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Fishing for customers to help with R&D?

Also will this rush into net-books, and their required high efficiency processors and lean OS, put pressure on x86/x64 OS or maybe even a new OS standard?

Just a thought on market pressures...
Unlikely. People accept different OS's on phones, but laptops and netbooks are still very much a "proper OS" zone and windows is the only option most will think about there. Regardless of what they intend to run and how much better suited an ARM chip with a customised OS would be for them.
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Unlikely. People accept different OS's on phones, but laptops and netbooks are still very much a "proper OS" zone and windows is the only option most will think about there. Regardless of what they intend to run and how much better suited an ARM chip with a customised OS would be for them.
Correct,

see the Linux-on-Netbook story. The devices really took off with windows, although they were cheaper AND faster with linux.
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Also mostly because most people aren't tech geeks, and companies would definitely prefer troubleshooting Windows over Linux.

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