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Old 30th Apr 2010, 11:54   #1
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Apple explains why no Flash on iPhone

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...sh-on-iphone/1
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Old 30th Apr 2010, 12:01   #2
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i thought the real main reason was this:

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Current Flash sites could never be made work well on any touchscreen device, and this cannot be solved by Apple, Adobe, or magical new hardware.

That’s not because of slow mobile performance, battery drain or crashes. It’s because of the hover or mouseover problem.

Many (if not most) current Flash games, menus, and even video players require a visible mouse pointer. They are coded to rely on the difference between hovering over something (mouseover) vs. actually clicking. This distinction is not rare. It’s pervasive, fundamental to interactive design, and vital to the basic use of Flash content.
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http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/0...ant-use-flash/
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And let's not forget that Apple would probably rather you bought games etc from the App Store rather than nice and free in embedded flash....
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Old 30th Apr 2010, 12:20   #4
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He can go bugger himself. Long Live Android!
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HTML is no more suited to touch than flash.
Common interactions involve rolling / hovering. Just look at drop down menus!
and Javascript does not natively support multiple cursors (or fingers)
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So.. *FLASH* is the closed platform. In comparison with the iPhone.

Really, Steve? REALLY?
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So.. *FLASH* is the closed platform. In comparison with the iPhone.

Really, Steve? REALLY?
No, in comparison to HTML5, like the open letter says.
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No, in comparison to HTML5, like the open letter says.
Even the closed apple specific extensions to javascript in safari!? I don't think so
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And let's not forget that Apple would probably rather you bought games etc from the App Store rather than nice and free in embedded flash....
what flash games are you talking about? haven't played a good one yet, and quite a lot of games on app store a free
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example of old games - html, css, javascript:

http://www.kesiev.com/akihabara/
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You can argue whether or not websites should use Flash or HTML 5 all day long.
The fact is they DO use Flash, so it would make life easier for Apple users if Apple supported it.
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what flash games are you talking about? haven't played a good one yet, and quite a lot of games on app store a free
http://www.amanita-design.net/samorost-1/

And all those people who like to play *shudder* farmville etc are bang out of luck too... And yes a lot are free - but usually trials to tempt you into splashing out for the full version, for which Apple of course takes a cut.... etc etc.
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You can argue whether or not websites should use Flash or HTML 5 all day long.
The fact is they DO use Flash, so it would make life easier for Apple users if Apple supported it.
+1 Apple have no real excuse here
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You can argue whether or not websites should use Flash or HTML 5 all day long.
The fact is they DO use Flash, so it would make life easier for Apple users if Apple supported it.
Exactly.
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who needs flash anyway? Flashblocker r the win!

flash takes up resource, flash makes your netbook unusable, flash makes a website cluncky. i really like Apple's move, Flash should die!
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flash makes your netbook unusable
You could argue that the terrible Intel Atom makes your netbook unusable. [/devil's advocate]
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If anyone is interested here's an interview with Adobe CEO about this that I find very interesting an elucidative:
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/04/...ith-adobe-ceo/

And about Flash being a closed platform the Adobe CEO says:
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Responding to a question about Mr. Jobs's assertion that Adobe is a closed platform, Mr. Narayen chuckles. "I find it amusing, honestly. Flash is an open specification," he says.
One other thing: regarding HTML5, isn't H.264 proprietary?
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There is no getting away from it, there could have been far better solutions to embedded video on the web than flash (flash apps and games aside, here), and I for one welcome the embrace of HTML5, it's a much better solution and my only wish is that it could have been brought in sooner.
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