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Old 26th Jul 2010, 13:22   #1
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Microsoft signs CPU agreement with ARM

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...ent-with-arm/1

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Old 26th Jul 2010, 13:49   #2
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would ARM really give intel a run for its money on larger faster chips?

I'd love to know - goes back and switches on the A4000 and hugs self
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Don't worry Intel, this move is completely 'ARM-less

ARM won't ever challenge Intel in the market for desktops or even mid-range laptops, its chip architecture isn't designed for that. What's more likely are ARM-based netbooks/smartbooks/tablets, and Microsoft's covering its bases in case this takes off and an ARM build of Windows 7 is needed.
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Old 26th Jul 2010, 14:39   #4
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How often will you be upgrading your PC? How often will you be changing your smartphone?

Most (and I don't mean us!) people will change their phone 2 maybe 3 times before any major PC change. If ARM is becoming the norm for smartphones then this could be a very clever move by Microsoft.

Most enthusiasts do change their PC or it's components alot more often but we are the minority. Given the number of pies Intel sticks it's fingers in, I don't really see them worrying too much.
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Maybe MS has a lighter version of windows 7 with a touch-friendly interface in the pipeline? Something capable of web browsing, content consumption and maybe basic office stuff, with a fraction of the overhead of full-blown Windows? That would fit quite nicely with a MS/ARM collaboration that produces iPad-whipping tablet and Atom-smashing (sorry) netbook CPUs.
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Microsoft, if you think that using ARM for your next Xbox will cut down on the noise and RRoD events...
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would ARM really give intel a run for its money on larger faster chips?

I'd love to know - goes back and switches on the A4000 and hugs self
Good Lord, you still have an Archimedes ?
Damn, i remember seeing Tetris at my cousin's house on his Archimedes...and the Flag demo, blowing in the Wind...

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Also, I think Intel drew blood first on this lovein by showing the world Android running on an Atom based device in April this year.
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Maybe it is for some media player/hub device (apple tv kind of thing). I am considering XB360 for its media capability (movies, skyplayer, maybe zune music in the future) and for that the full fat 360 is overkill.

If MS can make it small and quiet that it would be a nobrainer for me.
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Another nail in Atom's coffin. You either want lots of power, or enough power with low power consumption. Atom is in the middle and could easily be killed off by an ARM version of Windows.
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I love how everyone's jumping on this and going "ARM WINDOWS 7 OMG!!!", and completely forgetting Windows Phone, Windows Embedded, Zune, and the other Microsoft Hardware arms that run on ARM. Perhaps this is a sign that MS is going to make their own reference phone for Windows Phone, or maybe they're thinking beyond the Zune HD. Or, considering that the XBox 360 runs on a triple-core PowerPC processor (RISC) already, perhaps they're working with ARM for something for their XBox 720. Maybe Kinect is running with an ARM processor to do the limb detection and the like. Pretty sure Windows 7 ARM is not on the cards. No more than a resurrection of Windows NT for MIPS, Alpha or PowerPC is on the cards.

I wonder if the X360 kernel came from the remains of NT4.0 for PowerPC? Food for thought...
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would ARM really give intel a run for its money on larger faster chips?

I'd love to know - goes back and switches on the A4000 and hugs self
Good Lord, you still have an Archimedes ?
Damn, i remember seeing Tetris at my cousin's house on his Archimedes...and the Flag demo, blowing in the Wind...

A Sweet machine
Archimedes, now that is a blast from the past indeed! Those beasts were stonkingly fast and also used to come with a PC emulator as I recall ) It was also the first machine that got me i to wanting to run video on my lowly Amstrad PC1512 with it's multitude of 4 colours from a palette of 16. My how things have come a long way since those bygone days...

I think having a new CPU ARM's race can only be a good thing and whatever they bring to the table in future products will hopefully be good for the consumer too.
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If ARM is becoming the norm for smartphones then this could be a very clever move by Microsoft.
LMFAO!!!!!

Clever? WindowsPhone7 hasn't even been released yet. What a f**king joke. If I were a MS shareholder I'd be well pissed and calling for Balmer to be given the "mother-of-all" enemas. Under his stewardship, we've witnessed the stillbirth of Vista, IE becoming an irrelevance and now WP7 looks like it'll arrive at the orgy after everyone else is already shagged-out.
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come on ARM!
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Now I feel depressed. It's just M$/Balmer trying to squash the Open Source powered netbooks and smartphones... Throw enough money at a product and people will be forced to use it...
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If ARM is becoming the norm for smartphones then this could be a very clever move by Microsoft.
LMFAO!!!!!

Clever? WindowsPhone7 hasn't even been released yet. What a f**king joke. If I were a MS shareholder I'd be well pissed and calling for Balmer to be given the "mother-of-all" enemas. Under his stewardship, we've witnessed the stillbirth of Vista, IE becoming an irrelevance and now WP7 looks like it'll arrive at the orgy after everyone else is already shagged-out.
I don't think you know the meaning of the word "clever" and if you do it's a case of knopwing but not "taking it on board"

I enjoyed vista and had no problems, i also chose new hardware to go with vista .. old pc's and vista didnt mix and it was intended to be for newer multithreaded devices with plenty of ram and grunt ...it did as intended, and it did it well, Win7 also has all the same problems vista had, albeit a little more responsive

I still use IE too, i like firefox and all the others but IE came with my windows and works with everything anyway (i know it leaves little desire for a developer using CSS though ehe).

Not really caring about winmobile7 as i will be firmly with the Meego,Maemo camp for mobile devices for the forseeable future ...

..So in short, jsut because you do not like them, and had problems with them, it does not mean everyone else is in the same boat ...you mus "hold you PC wrong" maybe?

Nice to see that ARM will have some further support in future, they do deserve it for their hard work over the years ^^
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