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Old 30th Jul 2010, 10:25   #1
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Google and CIA joint venture

Google has courted controversy by investing in a web monitoring service - along with the CIA.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/20...-web-monitor/1
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 10:37   #2
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 10:56   #3
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This maybe why many other countries and falling over themselves to question the integrity of Google. This is not a good thing and the sooner you change your search engine and remove the toolbars the better.

Oh no, they could see this and now I'm going to get agents swinging through the window getting all angry and shouty!
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 11:00   #4
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I think both the Fast Company blog post and this are overblown. The key term here is 'open-source intelligence' - all this platform is doing is using publicly available information from mainstream news, blogs and wikis. Indeed, the analysis in the video of their platform seems to just look like Google News with more keyword matching.
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 11:15   #5
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I think both the Fast Company blog post and this are overblown. The key term here is 'open-source intelligence' - all this platform is doing is using publicly available information from mainstream news, blogs and wikis. Indeed, the analysis in the video of their platform seems to just look like Google News with more keyword matching.
Sorry dude but I really think you are being way too naive to think it won't be used for something more sinister.
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 12:17   #6
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I think both the Fast Company blog post and this are overblown. The key term here is 'open-source intelligence' - all this platform is doing is using publicly available information from mainstream news, blogs and wikis. Indeed, the analysis in the video of their platform seems to just look like Google News with more keyword matching.
Sorry dude but I really think you are being way too naive to think it won't be used for something more sinister.
Sorry dude but I really think you are being way too naive to think it will be used for something more sinister.
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 13:22   #7
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What's not sinister about the fact that it uses publicly availble information? Everything that any agency like the CIA does is sinister, because history has repeatedly shown that they essentially operate outside the law. And do an awful lot of Bad Sh*t. Even on those few occasions where law-breaking comes to light, no individual ever faces the sanctions that the rest of us would.

intelligence agency + largest software company in the world + data mining the internet = highly sinister.
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 13:25   #8
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great, fueling the fire in today's culture of fear...

worst thing that could come of this is the CIA finding out I like MILF porn and I buy a lot of used video games. woop-de-doo.
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 13:29   #9
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oh, yeah:

Using the internet = implied consent => data mining the internet

When you use the 'net, you are out in public. Act accordingly.
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 14:16   #10
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I've always thought Google and the CIA were "best mates" anyway, since the beginning...

Google : " I want to cache the entire Internet and search through it"
CIA : "I want a complete copy of the Internet to search through too"
Google : " Maybe we can help each other"
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I think both the Fast Company blog post and this are overblown. The key term here is 'open-source intelligence' - all this platform is doing is using publicly available information from mainstream news, blogs and wikis. Indeed, the analysis in the video of their platform seems to just look like Google News with more keyword matching.
Sorry dude but I really think you are being way too naive to think it won't be used for something more sinister.
Sorry dude but I really think you are being way too naive to think it will be used for something more sinister.
naive for thinking it might be used for sth sinister? maybe the word ur looking for is paranoid

that being said, only the paranoia will survive anyway. w00t! lol

my 2c: oh yes, it will be used for sth sinister sooner or later. depending on the development of it, it could be the latter...

i mean, if the CIA is interested in cost-recovery print-tracking software so they can monitor the activities of what people prints in the office... well... web monitoring tools can be quite interesting....
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Has 'sth' now replaced the word 'something'?

Maybe its for the best that the CIA render us all in North African torture bunkers.
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Old 30th Jul 2010, 15:45   #13
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great, fueling the fire in today's culture of fear...

worst thing that could come of this is the CIA finding out I like MILF porn and I buy a lot of used video games. woop-de-doo.
The if-you-haven't-done-anything-you've-nothing-to-fear argument? Shame real events keep proving it wrong.

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Using the internet = implied consent => data mining the internet

When you use the 'net, you are out in public. Act accordingly.
Until the day that we are all legally required to attach our real name to any actions online, using the internet does not imply consent. Besides which, the park is a public place, it doesn't mean that by walking my dog there I give security forces consent to film me or eavesdrop on my highly classified conversations with the dog.
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On reflection, the dog might be a mole
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What's not sinister about the fact that it uses publicly availble information? Everything that any agency like the CIA does is sinister, because history has repeatedly shown that they essentially operate outside the law. And do an awful lot of Bad Sh*t. Even on those few occasions where law-breaking comes to light, no individual ever faces the sanctions that the rest of us would.

intelligence agency + largest software company in the world + data mining the internet = highly sinister.
+1 spot on

C.I.A = Criminals. In. Authority
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Until the day that we are all legally required to attach our real name to any actions online, using the internet does not imply consent. Besides which, the park is a public place, it doesn't mean that by walking my dog there I give security forces consent to film me or eavesdrop on my highly classified conversations with the dog.[/QUOTE]

Actually you kind of do. I mean seriously. Isn't it the UK with all the CCTV set-ups? You're probably being filmed doing many mundane things. Sure they don't all link to high end government offices (think the security feeds in any store to prevent shoplifting, no one comments about them unless they shoplift).

So... yeah...

If it wasn't the CIA I'd say the Government should look into this and see if it's some sort of monopoly or just a bad idea. But it's the CIA, the poster-boy for covert Government ... stuff. No one really know exactly what the CIA does, just what the Government let's us know to keep up appearances.

That being said, you have to do quite a bit to piss off the CIA. I'd be more worried if it had been offered to those trigger happy mooks at the FBI though. The FBI has started stepping in more and more where local police and SWAT teams should be and it's kind of annoying.

If you don't like it though, stop using the internet. It's not exactly rocket science.
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I think both the Fast Company blog post and this are overblown. The key term here is 'open-source intelligence' - all this platform is doing is using publicly available information from mainstream news, blogs and wikis. Indeed, the analysis in the video of their platform seems to just look like Google News with more keyword matching.
Sorry dude but I really think you are being way too naive to think it won't be used for something more sinister.
Sorry dude but I really think you are being way too naive to think it will be used for something more sinister.
Who uses the internet? EVERYONE. Its highly unlikely the CIA wont be using this for some sinister covert operation. If said country uses the internet, then the CIA can use this as a backdoor and find some classified information. Considering that the CIA has reguarly shown that it is part of the people causing the problems in the world (the CIA used to back the Taliban, when Russia went to war with Afghanistan). As well as that, Google has a lot of things for free, you cant run one of the big companies and not have some funding. (this is turn could be used as blackmail and force Google to do something)
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....Google, Android, Chrome, Facebook, Twitter, store loyalty cards like nectar, boots the chemist.....come on guys get up to speed.
BT has been a close partner of the "Men in Black", (GB division) for decades.
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Considering that the CIA has reguarly shown that it is part of the people causing the problems in the world (the CIA used to back the Taliban, when Russia went to war with Afghanistan).
Oh come on, at least get your facts straight, the CIA (and several other US government agencies), along with the UK, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, and the PRC supported the Mujahideen, not the Taliban during the Soviet war in Afghanistan. The Taliban did not originate as an organization until 1994, and did not take power in Afghanistan until 1996....

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