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Old 22nd Dec 2010, 07:26   #1
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Ed Vaizey calls for mandatory filth filter

Communications minister Ed Vaizey has called on ISPs for a mandatory pornography filter.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/20...filth-filter/1
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Old 22nd Dec 2010, 07:34   #2
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I see only one solution... I'm going to have to view a life times supply of pr0n in the next couple of days just in case.

On a more serious note though. This won't really go through and wouldn't a better, more viable solution be to provide free "net-nanny" software.
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Old 22nd Dec 2010, 08:05   #3
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Ahh, so this is Australia's payback is it? We shipped them all our convicts years ago and now they ship back ****, nanny-state ideas to regulate the internet in the guise of "protecting the children".

It's the all new "Internet 3.0", as designed by Aussies, Chinese, Venezuelans, Iranians, Indonesians and Middle Eastern Arab states...

Enjoy that everyone. I'll stay out here in Taiwan - a country that's only really had democracy a fraction of the time the UK has, but still has more freedoms than you. /salt in wound. /rant (sorry)
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Old 22nd Dec 2010, 08:07   #4
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Old 22nd Dec 2010, 08:15   #5
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Ed Vaizy is an imbecile. Does he really think this will solve all our problems? Children's use on the internet should be monitored by responsible adults. Maybe this this the problem? The lack of the responsible parents.

Why don't we take children away from their parents, hook them up on ventilators and IV drips and keep them in a closet until they reach the age of 18?
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Old 22nd Dec 2010, 08:26   #6
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the internet is a difficult issue, for the most part it should not be regulated


but then child porn needs to be cracked down upon
Piracy needs to be attacked


i agree with DocWolfe where are the responsible parents here (the govenment?).

there is nothing illegal about porn, so why is this bloke trying to block it.

why not move all porn onto the XXX domain i.e. www(dot)porn(dot)XXX then it would be incredibly simple to block this ata a router level any porn site not keeping to this would be fined.

frankly i think facebookand other more commonly mistaken as innocent media outlets, do more harm to kids than any porn site
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Old 22nd Dec 2010, 08:26   #7
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with so much free family safety software on the net already it's easy as hell to stop your kids going onto these sites. most even allow you to track where your kids go online and how much time they are on each web site. instead of pissing around with ideas that will cripple the net, how about they work on getting us some of the money back they used to bail out the banks or - and i know this will be a shocking idea for them - get some bloody gritters out on the sodding roads and get the bleeding country out!

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Old 22nd Dec 2010, 08:28   #8
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This is just rediculous, it has been mentioned on other sites as is bonkers. Most people will be too embarrased to phone up, and also then people will be shuned for "wanting adult content". What this article missed is that there is some statistic that people as young as 9 have seen porn, lame parents? This surely is just a ploy to start censorship, next they'll have "terrorist" sites blocked. If they did want to do it why not have an, if you don't want adult content opt in?
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I make my entire livelihood through the internet, I get extremely defensive about it. Between this and the Digital Economy legislation brought in earlier in the year, the UK internet is going down the pan

I'm still proud to be British but people like Ed V make me rage because you can't do ANYTHING about their power trips. Try to protest it? The police call you a criminal and hit you with sticks..

Yaky - Two things: We should be free to bring up our kids as we please and as adults should be given the liberty to decide to run filters etc. Educate us, but let us make our own choices.

The other is the fact it's the thin end of the wedge: It gets passed into law under the guise of "for the children" and then gets abused by those who twist it to their own ends. Maybe not this government, but probably the next and so on.
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This surely is just a ploy to start censorship, next they'll have "terrorist" sites blocked.

i see the inverted commas there so know that you actually mean any site deemed controversial to a point where the government feel uneasy about it

which leads me to anon, (yeah yeah rules 1+2) but should this be blocked? they actively pursue illegal activities there is the occasional CP which would only move elsewhere, (does moot log all of this and provide ip's of people posting it by the way? it goes against anon but morally and legally he should do)

it can be funny but for the most part is what it proclaims an internet hate machine should the government close this down? (personally i think no)
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Old 22nd Dec 2010, 08:44   #11
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Police and laws do not stop 100% of robberies, should we drop them?
Traffic cameras and speed cameras ands Booze Busses with many controls do not 100% stop drink driving, time to give up on all of those?
Customs controls do not 100% stop illegal imports, should do away with all of them?
Policing, alarms, vicious dogs and high fences do not 100% stop house break-ins, do away with all of those as well?
Ad infinitum...

Which naive fool really believes that we should only have laws and controls in our society when they can prove to be 100% effective? We would all be out of a job...

What's the issue? That less porn is available and reachable? Asfor the argument that porn is not illegal, well that depends on where and how it is accessible.

Porn is not allowed to be displayed openly in newsagents, no one screams human rights on that one, or claims it should be open and parents should control that kids do not view it.

That would be naive and farcicial...

@yakyb: Jus cos one thing is worse than another does not mean one or the other is OK. Too much porn clogging up the intertubz today - start and end of story. It will still be there for the folks that want some, just like going to a porn movie in a cinema - still gotta buy a ticket.

@bridaggs: Mobile phone computing can only be filtered via carrier based apps, not with a NetNanny... And most of those client filters really do cripple speed - telco based filters are much faster. We have installed both here and the ISP based stuff is wayyyyy better...
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i see the inverted commas there so know that you actually mean any site deemed controversial to a point where the government feel uneasy about it

which leads me to anon, (yeah yeah rules 1+2) but should this be blocked? they actively pursue illegal activities there is the occasional CP which would only move elsewhere, (does moot log all of this and provide ip's of people posting it by the way? it goes against anon but morally and legally he should do)

it can be funny but for the most part is what it proclaims an internet hate machine should the government close this down? (personally i think no)
What use has 4chan actually got though?
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What use has 4chan actually got though?
Fairly sure that isn't the issue there. Either way 4chan doesn't do anything illegal so please give me a reason it should be blocked.

Thing is, porn isn't illegal. Just because parents can't be bothered to teach their kids that 18+ means 18+ doesn't mean the big bad government needs to step in.

as already said this is just step one of internet censorship.

Best of luck to them implimenting such a a god awful system....
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i bet he got caught jacking one off by the wife and now shes demanded all porn of the web or no fun time with her.
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Its the parents responsibility to create internet restrictions to protect their children, thats why the feature is built in to browsers!! its got nothing to do with the government.
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Vaizey is an idiot.

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Ed Vaizy is an imbecile. Does he really think this will solve all our problems? Children's use on the internet should be monitored by responsible adults. Maybe this this the problem? The lack of the responsible parents.

Why don't we take children away from their parents, hook them up on ventilators and IV drips and keep them in a closet until they reach the age of 18?
Yeah this all comes down to parents who don't get involved with their kids and think they can just stick their kids in front of a computer and leave them alone. Vaizey is an idiot as is Mandelson and his Comrades. The nanny state is crippling the country, no wonder we're lagging behind the rest of the world. Hell, I visit porn sites from time to time and whenever I admit to it I get odd looks, like what are you some kind of sex beast? Actually I'm a tax paying citizen of the UK who can make up his own mind as to what he wants to see. This is just communism under another name and it will all be pushed through under the guise of protecting the children. Your children will grow up terrified of making a move without government approval. But that's what you wanted wasn't it? Millions of little worker ants?
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How about parents actually, oh I don't know.... parenting?

Taking an interest in what their kids are doing, monitoring what they do and educating them on the dangers. Ignorance is no excuse.
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I'm from Australia, where this has obviously been a very lively topic. In my view, censorship of the internet is as abhorrent as censorship of any other medium would be. I believe that it is proposed and supported by good, kind-hearted generous people, who have good and noble intentions, but that it is ultimately poisonous.

For example, if Mr Vaizey wanted to protect children from terrorist propaganda, should all mention of Sea Shepherd be removed from the internet? They are a terrorist organisation, according to several countries.

If Mr Vaizey wanted to protect children from race crime, should the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr be removed from the internet? It was a race crime, and led to waves of race riots.

If Mr Vaizey wanted to protect children from information on how to commit a crime, should websites discussing euthanasia be removed from the internet? Assisted suicide is a criminal act in both of our countries.

If Mr Vaizey wants to protect children from child pornography, should the photo of Phan Thị Kim Phúc be removed from the internet? It may have changed the course of a war.

I am certain that he has the best of intentions at heart. However, I would contend that given the examples above, it is easy for censorship to become a chimera that denies history and silences debate. There are things that must not be forgotten, and topics that we as a society must be free to discuss, and to blindly erase them hurts those very same children we wish to protect.
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Hold on, isn't he talking about making the porn 'opt-out'? That means that parents tell their ISP "no porn thanks" and if the system works then no porn gets delivered?

Sounds great to me as long as it works. It also means I might get some work done ...
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