bit-tech.net

Go Back   bit-tech.net Forums > bit-tech.net > Article Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11th Feb 2011, 15:25   #1
Lizard
@ Scan R&D
 
Lizard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,890
Lizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run Crysis
The True Cost of the Intel Sandy Bridge Cock-Up

The Intel 6-series chipset fiasco has cost some companies half their turnover, we found out more



http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/201...cougar-point/1
Lizard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 15:43   #2
Fingers66
Kiwi in London
 
Fingers66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London, UK
Posts: 6,982
Fingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming Saiyan
"After pledging to ship out sacks of fixed and chips..." - beginning of 2nd paragraph.
__________________
Gaming: [Silverstone TJ08-E][MSI Z87M Gaming][i5-4670K][Corsair H55][8GB 1866MHz][Asus 7970 DCUII TOP][Samsung 840 Pro 256GB][Corsair HX650][Dell U2412M][Corsair K60]
Main: [Lian Li PC-A04][Asus Z97M-Plus][i7-4770K][Corsair H55][16GB 1600MHz][iGPU][Corsair Force 3 120GB][Seasonic X-650 Gold]
Kids: [Silverstone SG05B][Asus H87I-Plus][i3-4330][8GB 1600MHz][Asus 6850 DirectCU][Crucial M4 256GB][ST45SF 450w][Dell E207WFP]
NAS 1:[Synology DS211j] NAS 2:[OMV]
Fingers66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 15:51   #3
Lizard
@ Scan R&D
 
Lizard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,890
Lizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run CrysisLizard can run Crysis
Cheers, fixed.
Lizard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 15:53   #4
Mraedis
Multimodder
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 153
Mraedis has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Hmmm, fixed and chips.
__________________
Mraedis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 15:55   #5
bob_lewis
Lurker extraordinaire
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Sweden
Posts: 101
bob_lewis is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.bob_lewis is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.bob_lewis is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.bob_lewis is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.bob_lewis is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.bob_lewis is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.bob_lewis is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.bob_lewis is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.bob_lewis is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.bob_lewis is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.bob_lewis is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.
Great article, and an interesting read.
bob_lewis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 15:57   #6
DbD
Supermodder
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 285
DbD is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.DbD is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.DbD is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.DbD is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.DbD is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.DbD is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.DbD is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.DbD is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.DbD is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.DbD is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.DbD is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.
Can't they just sell us all the broken boards cheap - I'd buy one?

Like the article says the 2 sata 3 ports work, and as long as you buy a motherboard with a secondary sata controller which many have you've got 4 or more sata ports. That's plenty for most people, and you always have the backup of buying a sata pcie card if for some reason you decide you need to install 10 HD's.
DbD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 16:10   #7
Fingers66
Kiwi in London
 
Fingers66's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London, UK
Posts: 6,982
Fingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming SaiyanFingers66 is a Super Spamming Saiyan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fingers66 View Post
"After pledging to ship out sacks of fixed and chips..." - beginning of 2nd paragraph.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lizard View Post
Cheers, fixed.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mraedis View Post
Hmmm, fixed and chips.
Funnily enough I was eating them whilst reading the article...

OT: I wonder if retailers will sell the new B3 revision boards at the same price as B2, given the pent up demand.

Also, does anyone else think that the B3 revision boards will be amongst the most tested chipset/boards in creation, both by Intel and the manufacturers, purely to avoid this kind of commercial embarrassment?
__________________
Gaming: [Silverstone TJ08-E][MSI Z87M Gaming][i5-4670K][Corsair H55][8GB 1866MHz][Asus 7970 DCUII TOP][Samsung 840 Pro 256GB][Corsair HX650][Dell U2412M][Corsair K60]
Main: [Lian Li PC-A04][Asus Z97M-Plus][i7-4770K][Corsair H55][16GB 1600MHz][iGPU][Corsair Force 3 120GB][Seasonic X-650 Gold]
Kids: [Silverstone SG05B][Asus H87I-Plus][i3-4330][8GB 1600MHz][Asus 6850 DirectCU][Crucial M4 256GB][ST45SF 450w][Dell E207WFP]
NAS 1:[Synology DS211j] NAS 2:[OMV]
Fingers66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 16:11   #8
thelaw
Cynical B*stard
 
thelaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Hawkes Bay, New Zealand
Posts: 1,078
thelaw can run Crysisthelaw can run Crysisthelaw can run Crysisthelaw can run Crysisthelaw can run Crysisthelaw can run Crysisthelaw can run Crysisthelaw can run Crysisthelaw can run Crysisthelaw can run Crysis
So scan are not going to offer a swap out option after all for system builds, have they changed there mind despite it still saying so on the homepage of there site??


Elan Raja, director of UK retailer and system builder Scan, put it all down to market forces. 'On the day when the issue hit the market, we pulled everything, and when we pulled everything eBuyer followed suit, Dabs followed suit – the only company that didn't follow suit was Overclockers. So, all of a sudden, there was this mad rush of people thinking Overclockers had this magic chipset that the issue didn't affect, but that's not the case. So, therefore, everyone went live again on the basis that no one's willing to lose a sale.'

However, Raja also points out that any products based on Intel's 6-series chipsets that are sold after 31 January are now the liability of the retailer, as opposed to the OEM partner or even Intel.

'We've got systems we're selling, says Raja, 'but we're selling them with the knowledge that we've got a solution already in place. As the orders are coming in, we're actively contacting the customers and telling them that these are their options: they can either go for an Asus board with a Marvell chipset, they could have an additional SATA card added, or you can wait until a given date and we'll build you a system with the new revision of boards.'

Last edited by thelaw; 11th Feb 2011 at 16:20.
thelaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 16:20   #9
arcticstoat
Who is the Milkman?
 
arcticstoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 916
arcticstoat can run Crysisarcticstoat can run Crysisarcticstoat can run Crysisarcticstoat can run Crysisarcticstoat can run Crysisarcticstoat can run Crysisarcticstoat can run Crysisarcticstoat can run Crysisarcticstoat can run Crysisarcticstoat can run Crysisarcticstoat can run Crysis
Quote:
Originally Posted by thelaw
So scan are not going to offer a swap out option after all, have they changed there mind despite it still saying so on the homepage of there site??
No, they're still offering a swap-out option too.
__________________
Ben Hardwidge
Custom PC Editor
arcticstoat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 16:25   #10
lewchenko
Supermodder
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 365
lewchenko has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Below is a true example as to how this is costing companies like scan business...

Just before the P67 problem was announced I had priced up both a Scan XS system and also a self build. The cost was around 1400 and 1200 respectively.. Or there abouts.

After the announcement I decided not to proceed and just upgrade my GPU for my current Q9550 @3.6 Ghz based system instead. And a nice improvement I've seen from that GTX570 too from my old 260.

I will now probably hold off until I see how my machine copes with Battlefield 3 later this year.

Had intel not announced the problem, I would have a new sandy bridge PC right now.
lewchenko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 16:45   #11
Lockon Stratos
I Will Snipe You!
 
Lockon Stratos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London, UK
Posts: 111
Lockon Stratos has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Quote:
Originally Posted by lewchenko
Below is a true example as to how this is costing companies like scan business...

Just before the P67 problem was announced I had priced up both a Scan XS system and also a self build. The cost was around 1400 and 1200 respectively.. Or there abouts.

After the announcement I decided not to proceed and just upgrade my GPU for my current Q9550 @3.6 Ghz based system instead. And a nice improvement I've seen from that GTX570 too from my old 260.

I will now probably hold off until I see how my machine copes with Battlefield 3 later this year.

Had intel not announced the problem, I would have a new sandy bridge PC right now.
Crank that Q9550 to as close to 4ghz as possible and youre good for a while longer. Highend C2Q's are still good. they aint no i7 but they still provide plenty of grunt for games.
Lockon Stratos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 16:57   #12
aLtikal
1338-One step infront of the pro's
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: London
Posts: 906
aLtikal is a Super Spamming SaiyanaLtikal is a Super Spamming SaiyanaLtikal is a Super Spamming SaiyanaLtikal is a Super Spamming SaiyanaLtikal is a Super Spamming SaiyanaLtikal is a Super Spamming SaiyanaLtikal is a Super Spamming SaiyanaLtikal is a Super Spamming SaiyanaLtikal is a Super Spamming SaiyanaLtikal is a Super Spamming SaiyanaLtikal is a Super Spamming Saiyan
This isn't an issue that you can fix by (sampling) simply installing a third-party SATA card
__________________
aLtikal's Rig...
| Antec P182 | Q6700 @ 3.1Ghz| Abit AB9 Pro | 5770 1Gb Vapor-X | 4GB 800mhz Geil BlackDragon 4-4-4-12 | XtremeMusic | Z-5500's | MX-518| Samsung 2232bw 2ms 1680x1050|
PC Build count:11
aLtikal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 17:05   #13
schmidtbag
Hypermodder
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: MA, USA
Posts: 819
schmidtbag - may the hammer of Bindi be bestowed on youschmidtbag - may the hammer of Bindi be bestowed on youschmidtbag - may the hammer of Bindi be bestowed on youschmidtbag - may the hammer of Bindi be bestowed on youschmidtbag - may the hammer of Bindi be bestowed on youschmidtbag - may the hammer of Bindi be bestowed on youschmidtbag - may the hammer of Bindi be bestowed on youschmidtbag - may the hammer of Bindi be bestowed on youschmidtbag - may the hammer of Bindi be bestowed on youschmidtbag - may the hammer of Bindi be bestowed on youschmidtbag - may the hammer of Bindi be bestowed on you
well, at least i'm glad to know that my decision of not buying any of intel's new products didn't result in my money going into them fixing their mistakes.
__________________
4.4GHz FX-6300 (on an AM3 board) with C'n'Q on, 8GB of RAM, R9 290, ADATA SP900 64GB SSD, Arch Linux 64 bit.
schmidtbag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 17:57   #14
Dragon7Samurai
What's a Dremel?
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 16
Dragon7Samurai has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Quote:
Originally Posted by DbD View Post
Can't they just sell us all the broken boards cheap - I'd buy one?

Like the article says the 2 sata 3 ports work, and as long as you buy a motherboard with a secondary sata controller which many have you've got 4 or more sata ports. That's plenty for most people, and you always have the backup of buying a sata pcie card if for some reason you decide you need to install 10 HD's.

So would I!
Dragon7Samurai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 17:57   #15
Kingsley813
Minimodder
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 34
Kingsley813 has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
"This also raises another question, of course, which is: 'What happens to all the old boards with the B2 silicon?' No one we asked was able to give us a solid answer to this, but the general consensus was that it wasn't possible to just resolder the new chips into the old boards on a mass-production basis."

**Cough, cough** Give them away at a highly discounted *cough* price? Please?
Kingsley813 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 18:21   #16
dunx
ITX is where it's at !
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Deep in the rhubarb triangle
Posts: 444
dunx can run Crysisdunx can run Crysisdunx can run Crysisdunx can run Crysisdunx can run Crysisdunx can run Crysisdunx can run Crysisdunx can run Crysisdunx can run Crysis
I'll just build another i7-870/Asus Maximus Formula PC thanks !

dunx
__________________
Asus P6T7 WS Revo. + Asus U3S6 - i7-960 @ 3.8 GHz - Corsair H70 - 6 GB Corsair DDR3 @ 1600 MHz - 64 GB Cucial M4 SSD - Dual WD Caviar Black 1TB SATA III HD's - HD 5870 + GTX 480 - Coolermaster 1250W PSU - ANTEC P280 - 4 x 240 V server fans - Griffin Powermate
dunx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 18:35   #17
MiNiMaL_FuSS
ƬӇЄƦЄ ƁЄ ƇƠƜƧ ӇЄƦЄ.
 
MiNiMaL_FuSS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Norfolk, UK
Posts: 6,187
MiNiMaL_FuSS is a Super Spamming SaiyanMiNiMaL_FuSS is a Super Spamming SaiyanMiNiMaL_FuSS is a Super Spamming SaiyanMiNiMaL_FuSS is a Super Spamming SaiyanMiNiMaL_FuSS is a Super Spamming SaiyanMiNiMaL_FuSS is a Super Spamming SaiyanMiNiMaL_FuSS is a Super Spamming SaiyanMiNiMaL_FuSS is a Super Spamming SaiyanMiNiMaL_FuSS is a Super Spamming SaiyanMiNiMaL_FuSS is a Super Spamming SaiyanMiNiMaL_FuSS is a Super Spamming Saiyan
I'd be interested to know if retailers will even want the boards back?

I mena why pay to ship and store something that you cant even re-sell? I'd just send consumers the new board as I was going to anyway and let them keep the faulty unrepairable one....win for the consumer as they can sell the dodgey board at a discount or the new board!
__________________
すべてのあなたのチーズケーキは私たちに属している
MiNiMaL_FuSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 19:27   #18
Madness_3d
Bit-Tech/Asus OC Winner
 
Madness_3d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: London UK
Posts: 989
Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!
You say that this issue would have affected the entire IT industry but I think you have to put in perspective that, right now the majority of systems being sold are value systems, especially in the desktop area and substantially in the laptop area. People want cheap, cheap and more cheap. It's only the Enthusiasts and Professional’s who are going to be thinking of shelling out for something like a quad core Sandy Bridge at any rate. At work we've sold almost 30,000 machines during our time trading (probably more if you include the "upgraded systems" that are complete rebuilds), we've won awards for this that and the other but at the end of the day ~60% of our Desktop Custom Assembled builds are <300, sans OS machines, generally with an AM3 or 775 CPU. Yep you read that right. 775.

Why?

The Pentium 775 Chips are cheap and have more than enough performance to handle a bit of web browsing and light work, a decent motherboard with integrated graphics and what have you can be had for ~35 and HDD's and Opticals are cheap as chips. Only about 35% of our systems are 1156 (mainly i3 530's) and only ~5% are anything higher than that. the thing that seems to be forgotten is you're average customer doesn't care about "upgrading" or "future-proofing" they care about Value. So the fact we build systems with 2 year warranties for less than 200 that will do all you're general work appeals massively to your average Joe.

In summary I think you're overplaying this problem. Yes it's bad, yeah it's an inconvenience for a few pro's and enthusiasts but at the end of the day as a proportion of overall system sales, I don't think it makes much of a difference. Obviously on the other side of the coin if you are a retailer selling almost exclusively to the higher end market (Overclockers for e.g.) then this is a much bigger issue. Just I still feel that the people writing this article need to step back and take a look at the bigger picture.

>Purposefully didn't include company name as I don't want to be seen on here as Advertising I just want to get my point across.
__________________
XFXScorpio911 PHENOM II X4 965 @ 4.02Ghz SLI GTX 480 1536MB ASUS CROSSHAIR II FORMULA 4GB OCZ REAPER 1066 5-5-4-8 2T CORSAIR HYDRO H50 CORSAIR Force 3 120GB WINDOWS 7 HP 64bit Musings On The Technical World Steam

Last edited by Madness_3d; 11th Feb 2011 at 19:41.
Madness_3d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 19:29   #19
Madness_3d
Bit-Tech/Asus OC Winner
 
Madness_3d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: London UK
Posts: 989
Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!Madness_3d - it's over 9000!!!!!!!!1!1!1!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragon7Samurai
Quote:
Originally Posted by DbD View Post
Can't they just sell us all the broken boards cheap - I'd buy one?

Like the article says the 2 sata 3 ports work, and as long as you buy a motherboard with a secondary sata controller which many have you've got 4 or more sata ports. That's plenty for most people, and you always have the backup of buying a sata pcie card if for some reason you decide you need to install 10 HD's.

So would I!
This would cannibalise their own sales of functional boards, so they'd be shooting themselves in the foot (to some extent)


Quote:
Originally Posted by lewchenko View Post
Below is a true example as to how this is costing companies like scan business...

Just before the P67 problem was announced I had priced up both a Scan XS system and also a self build. The cost was around 1400 and 1200 respectively.. Or there abouts.

After the announcement I decided not to proceed and just upgrade my GPU for my current Q9550 @3.6 Ghz based system instead. And a nice improvement I've seen from that GTX570 too from my old 260.

I will now probably hold off until I see how my machine copes with Battlefield 3 later this year.

Had intel not announced the problem, I would have a new sandy bridge PC right now.
You say that but the average PC Component retailer takes between 5 and 10 percent of the sale price. (lower if the company is bigger) Scan will be at the low end of this because they're competitive.
For examples sake, if you ordered a 1300 basket, @5% profit they'd make 65. hardly massive for them.
__________________
XFXScorpio911 PHENOM II X4 965 @ 4.02Ghz SLI GTX 480 1536MB ASUS CROSSHAIR II FORMULA 4GB OCZ REAPER 1066 5-5-4-8 2T CORSAIR HYDRO H50 CORSAIR Force 3 120GB WINDOWS 7 HP 64bit Musings On The Technical World Steam

Last edited by Madness_3d; 11th Feb 2011 at 19:35.
Madness_3d is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th Feb 2011, 21:37   #20
Redsnake77
Useless Idiot
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 278
Redsnake77 has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
'We're not convinced by this, though. Okay, so you can swap out your motherboard later, but this is a massive inconvenience that's not accounted for in the cost of the board, which won't be discounted. Also, board partners haven't even seen the new B3 silicon yet, and we certainly haven't had a chance to test it. It may work fine, but we would strongly recommend that you don't buy a faulty product based on an unreleased fix sorting out the problem in the future. '

Do you also include games released with ruinous bugs in this statement?
Redsnake77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:51.
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.