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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 14:51   #1
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Digital Economy Act appeal denied

BT and Talk Talk's appeal against a judge's ruling on the Digital Economy Act has been denied.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/20...ppeal-denied/1
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 14:53   #2
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Do these ***** in government know nothing?
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 14:57   #3
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The worst thing about this is, that because ISPs will have to spend a fortune on the equipment and ongoing monitoring, the price of broadband is going to go up for everyone.
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 15:02   #4
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Do these ***** in government know nothing?
Quite the contrary. They want to know *everything*.
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 15:05   #5
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"There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment. How often, or on what system, the Thought Police plugged in on any individual wire was guesswork. It was even conceivable that they watched everybody all the time."

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if you or your family members don't pirate stuff, do you really have anything to worry about?

it's still up to the copyright holder to make the complaints to the isp, it is then up to the isp to keep a record of complaints, then warn customers involved, if a certain threshold is reached.

if the customers ignore the warnings, the copyright holder then has to apply to court to get the details of customers involved from the isp, at which point the isp must give the details, and then the copyright holder can take the customers to court, and request damages, and disconnection from the internet.

the secretary of state has the right to bypass the courts and remove internet services from anyone, if he/she see's fit.
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So, if the government were to install cameras throughout your home, you wouldn't mind? After all, your household is home to a typical, boring family, with nothing of interest going on inside or out. I mean, if you're law-abiding and decent, how could it possibly hurt you?

... and don't even attempt to say that it's not the same - I'm well aware that it isn't. However, such a scenario is one step away. One little step. Think about it, how much could one hope to learn about you, if they could have access to your complete browsing, IM, e-shopping and e-mail history? Send any nudes out to girls lately?
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Great ... it was hard enough when the cats would sit on my desk watching me, now I'm going to be wondering if some 'observers' will be sat in their offices laughing at my donkey porn ...

Actually, not worried about this, as long as the monitoring stops at illegal activities like downloading movies/music and instructions on making bombs. Couldn't give a rats ass. As long as it is just that.

added: actually of course I'd prefer they didn't do this but we all knew the freedom to torrent anything was going to end sooner or later. I would assume their will be other things they are monitoring for as well.

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I'd be more worried about how this could affect speeds for everyday traffic, obviously many net connections are poor already. Idk, but could performance degradation be introduced by any filtering system?
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The problem is that it gives legitimacy to false claims. Furthermore establishing if someone is a pirate isn't as straightforward as obtaining their ip address. These can be spoofed with ease and the current torrent monitoring systems are easily fooled. This will affect legitimate customers more often than pirates.

In addition to that, users who really want the content will use other methods, rapidshare sites, private torrent sites and the black net will become common place. Good luck following them when they don't want to be found.
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if you or your family members don't pirate stuff, do you really have anything to worry about?

it's still up to the copyright holder to make the complaints to the isp, it is then up to the isp to keep a record of complaints, then warn customers involved, if a certain threshold is reached.

if the customers ignore the warnings, the copyright holder then has to apply to court to get the details of customers involved from the isp, at which point the isp must give the details, and then the copyright holder can take the customers to court, and request damages, and disconnection from the internet.

the secretary of state has the right to bypass the courts and remove internet services from anyone, if he/she see's fit.
Really?.. Really? If we don't pirate anything we have nothing to worry about?
How about the phrase "monitoring and processing user's internet data" is that something worth worrying about?

I'm not even going to go into the 'thin end of the wedge' argument I'm just going to point out that for this to actually work, all data has to be monitored all the time so that in case of a suspected offence the evidence can be retrieved. This is already the thick end of the wedge.

Given the robust stance of many in the House of Commons today that DNA profiles for arrested persons should be retained *even in the absence of conviction* do you really think that it will be long before stored internet data is trawled for other offences or suspicous behaviour profiles?

That this unimaginable level of monitoring is being pushed through to protect copyright is disproportionate at best and absolutely catastrophic at worst. Even if this is the ONLY way to protect copyright it is not worth it. I am not a pirate, I do think that copying music/movies whatever is wrong, but this is still too high a price to pay.

The blithe attitude of "if you haven't done wrong you don't have anything to worry about" is a flimsy shield and very, very blinkered.
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The problem is that it gives legitimacy to false claims. Furthermore establishing if someone is a pirate isn't as straightforward as obtaining their ip address. ... This will affect legitimate customers more often than pirates.
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Pretty much this. The RIAA in the past has sued children, old ladies, people without Internet connections and the dead for copyright infringement.
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Old 22nd Jun 2011, 16:14   #15
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http://www.boingboing.net/2011/06/22...copyright.html

Or, in the words of Adam Smith: "Whenever the legislature attempts to regulate the differences between masters and their workmen, its counselors are always the masters." It seems that nothing changed in the last 300 years.
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What happened to me recently is that I had a (unemployed) mate come to stay for a three weeks. Turned out while I was at work, he was watching movies ...most of which hadn't been released let alone where still in the cinemas!

I found out when checking routinely checking our data usage and seeing that it had gone through the roof.

Now should I lose my net connection as punishment? Or should he at some future date? And who would believe it was him not me? Can you imagine the hassle and time needed to proove such?
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It's going to be hilarious getting a letter about piracy concerning things I genuinely own but find it quicker to download than it is to actually rip myself.
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The problem is that it gives legitimacy to false claims. Furthermore establishing if someone is a pirate isn't as straightforward as obtaining their ip address. These can be spoofed with ease and the current torrent monitoring systems are easily fooled. This will affect legitimate customers more often than pirates.

In addition to that, users who really want the content will use other methods, rapidshare sites, private torrent sites and the black net will become common place. Good luck following them when they don't want to be found.
I would expect the type of people the Police are trying to get, use other peoples Internet connections.
A lot of people haven't got a clue how to protect their WIFI, so they'll be wasting time and money putting old people and such into courts, which will yield nothing.
There is no prevention being done here, by which I mean, a proper solution, its more persecution and repression. Swing the bat and smack people down.
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What about SSL? Will that be susceptible? As I wouldn't want my card details being logged for some lovely lulsec Muppet to find it all in one place.
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