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The Bit-Tech F1 2015 Thread - Round 10: Hungary

Driver Standings

Hamilton - 194
Rosberg - 177
Vettel - 135



Constructors Standing

Mercedes AMG - 371
Ferrari - 211
Williams - 151



2015 Calendar

Races shown live by BBC in Blue

1-4 Feb - Winter Test #1 - Circuito de Jerez, Jerez - Completed
19-22 Feb - Winter Test #2 - Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya, Barcelona - Completed
26 Feb-1 Mar - Winter Test #3 - Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya, Barcelona - Completed


13-15 Mar - Australia - Melbourne Grand Prix Circuit, Melbourne - HAM, ROS, VET
27-29 Mar - Malaysia - Sepang International Circuit, Kuala Lumpur - VET, HAM, ROS
10-12 Apr - China - Shanghai International Circuit, Shanghai - HAM, ROS, VET
17-19 Apr - Bahrain - Bahrain International Circuit, Sakhir - HAM, RAI, ROS
8-10 May - Spain - Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya, Barcelona - ROS, HAM, VET
21-24 May - Monaco - Circuit de Monaco, Monte Carlo - ROS, VET, HAM
5-7 Jun - Canada - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Montreal - HAM, ROS, BOT
19-21 Jun - Austria - Red Bull Ring, Spielberg - ROS, HAM, MAS
3-5 Jul - Great Britain - Silverstone Circuit, Silverstone - HAM, ROS, VET

24-26 Jul - Hungary - Hungaroring, Budapest

Summer Break

21-23 Aug - Belgium - Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps, Francorchamps
4-6 Sep - Italy - Autodromo Nazionale Monza, Monza
18-20 Sep - Singapore - Marina Bay Street Circuit, Singapore
25-27 Sep - Japan - Suzuka Circuit, Suzuka
9-11 Oct - Russia - Sochi Autodrom, Sochi
23-25 Oct - USA - Circuit of the Americas, Austin
30 Oct-1 Nov - Mexico - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, Mexico City
13-15 Nov - Brazil - Autódromo José Carlos Pace, Săo Paulo
27-29 Nov - Abu Dhabi - Yas Marina Circuit, Abu Dhabi

2015 Teams and Drivers

Rookie/New Drivers in Purple, Changes from 2014 in Orange

Scuderia Ferrari [Italy]
Team Principal: Maurizio Arrivabene
Chassis: SF15-T
Engine: Ferrari
5 - Sebastian Vettel [Germany]
7 - Kimi Räikkönen [Finland]

Sahara Force India F1 Team [India]
Team Principal: Vijay Maliya
Chassis: VJM08
Engine: Mercedes
11 - Sergio Perez [Mexico]
27 - Nico Hulkenberg [Germany]

Lotus F1 Team [UK]
Team Principal: Gerard Lopez
Chassis: E23 Hybrid
Engine: Mercedes
8 - Romain Grosjean [France]
13 - Pastor Maldonado [Venezuela]

Manor Marussia F1 Racing [UK]
Team Principal: John Booth
Chassis: MR03 [2014 spec, modified to meet 2015 regs]
Engine: Ferrari [2014 spec]
28 - Will Stevens [UK]
98 - Roberto Mehri [Spain]

McLaren Honda [UK]
Team Principal: Éric Boullier
Chassis: MP4-30
Engine: Honda
14 - Fernando Alonso [Spain] - Sits out Round 1 on Medical Advice
20 - Kevin Magnussen [Denmark]
22 - Jenson Button [UK]

Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team [Germany]
Team Principals: Paddy Lowe, Toto Wolff
Chassis: F1 W06 Hybrid
Engine: Mercedes
44 - Lewis Hamilton [UK]
6 - Nico Rosberg [Germany]

Infiniti Red Bull Racing [Austria]
Team Principal: Christian Horner
Chassis: RB11
Engine: Renault
3 - Daniel Ricciardo [Australia]
26 - Daniil Kvyat [Russia]

Sauber F1 Team [Switzerland]
Team Principal: Monisha Kaltenborn
Chassis: C34
Engine: Ferrari
9 - Marcus Ericsson [Sweden]
12 - Felipe Nasr [Brazil]

Scuderia Torro Rosso [Italy]
Team Principal: Franz Tost
Chassis: STR10
Engine: Renault
33 - Max Verstappen [Netherlands]
55 - Carlos Sainz Jr [Spain]

Williams Martini Racing [UK]
Team Principal: Sir Frank Williams
Chassis: FW37
Engine: Mercedes
19 - Felipe Massa [Brazil]
77 - Valtteri Bottas [Finland]

Regulation changes

Technical regulations
  • The number of power units that a driver may use in a season will be reduced from five in 2014 to four in 2015.
  • The rules regarding the points-trading system for engine development that were introduced in 2014 will change, with the manufacturers allowed to perform half the development permitted in 2014; the development will be halved again in 2016.
  • Following the backlash over "ugly" nose designs in 2014, the FIA moved to amend the rules surrounding nose designs for the 2015 season. Noses will now be lower than in 2014, retaining a minimum cross section, but they must taper to a point at a fixed linear rate, effectively outlawing the dramatic finger shapes seen in 2014 in favour of a more gradual shape. Furthermore, the design of the nose must be symmetrical and consistent with the centreline of the car, thereby banning the more exotic designs, such as the "twin-tusk" approach used by Lotus on the E22 chassis.

Sporting regulations
  • The procedure for restarting a race after the safety car has been deployed will change in 2015. Instead of the traditional single-file rolling restart with the pace controlled by the race leader, the drivers will return to the starting grid for a standing restart controlled by the race director. The exception will be if the race is in the last five laps, in which case a rolling restart will be used.
  • The partial ban on pit-to-car communication introduced at the 2014 Singapore Grand Prix will be extended to include a blanket ban on sharing technical data between team and driver, such as specific fuel consumption settings.
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Old 23rd Nov 2014, 15:33   #2
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Will go up when I find them...

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The Abu Dhabi test this week?
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Don't usually include the tyre or in-season tests but if you want I'll add them as/when I find the dates
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I'm freaking out a little about McLaren's driver choice.

If BOTH JB and Alonso depart F1 for WEC or something else, I may lose interest altogether.
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Alonso + Button at McLaren with Magnussen on loan to Torro Rosso until either Alonso or Button retire due to age seems to be pretty much the only possibility left to keep them in the sport.
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I think KMag will get bumped to the 3rd driver slot for a year and Button will be kept on for one more year to help with the Honda Transition...

STR are a young driver team but they tend to go for their own [RB's Young Driver Program] young drivers I can't really see them taking KMag on...

Still not 100% convinced Alonso will end up back at McLaren...

EDIT: As Kravitz pointed out in his post-race bit - Button's results have saved McLaren a crapload of money, his result today ensured FIndia didn't overtake them in the constructors and if FIndia had overtaken them McLaren would've lost a boatload of prize money.
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Alonso + Button at McLaren with Magnussen on loan to Torro Rosso until either Alonso or Button retire due to age seems to be pretty much the only possibility left to keep them in the sport.
I'll probably say this a lot in the next month, if Mclaren Honda are serious about the constructors they need Alonso and Button. Alonso and Button this year would have been good for fourth in the constructors instead of fifth, next year or the year after the performance gap between Button and K-mag could mean first or third instead fourth or fifth (assuming Honda+Money+Prodromou and friends come good).

K-Mag in next year's Mclaren is Mclaren admitting they aren't going to win anything next year, he couldn't even out qualify Button consistently, he's not fast enough.
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EDIT: As Kravitz pointed out in his post-race bit - Button's results have saved McLaren a crapload of money, his result today ensured FIndia didn't overtake them in the constructors and if FIndia had overtaken them McLaren would've lost a boatload of prize money.
Exactly, looking at the drivers championship Button has 126 points to Kmags 55.
I wouldnt be suprised if Honda stick their oar in and demand button. Its better to have to very expeirenced drivers to manage the transistion. Also Button has a history with Honda.

Something I remembered from the commentry. they mentioned that they had strapped a Honda lump into the current car. i know honda wont be allowed to look under the lid so to speak but as i think Brundle mentioned they will get a tonne of data from sensors on the car which is just about as good. If they and the other teams are looking to make the performance step thats been rumoured (around a second) it should be interesting. Also i was reminded by someone i know at RBR, Renualt poached an engne designer from Merc which could prove useful.
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Still think people are dreaming on Button been kept on. Also don't think he wants to stay anymore.
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2014 Predictions, how close was I?

Vettel to dominate again
Nope
Button second (ever the optimist), Mac to unexpectedly win that elusive constructors as Magnussen stomps all over Ricciardo's head
Double nope
Mercedes in minor chaos as Lauda/Wolff fight each other and Paddy is stuck in the middle
Triple nope
Ferrari in full blown civil war, one or both drivers gone by the end of the year
OH HELL YES! Although even I didn't expect Domenicalli, Montezemolo and now Mattiaci to all get the chop inside ten months.
Lotus to slide back steadily, to Grosjean's enormous frustration, Grosjean to one of the top three for 2015
Half right, Lotus nowhere, Grosjean goes round in circles.
Williams suddenly at the front of the Midfield with Massa/Bottas as a tag team of awesome
Yes, even more than that, Williams third overall and Felitteri Mattas is completely awesome.
FI to field Perez and Hulkenberg, both to do great impressions of Sutil/PdR and go sports car racing later
Mid field solid driving just like Sutil/PdR, both at FI next year, so half right.
Chilton in a Marussia again and surprisingly not awful
Would have been right, save for the last four races and Bianchi's horrible crash, as it is completely wrong, Marussia bankrupt, Chilton and Bianchi unlikely to be seen in F1 again. Heartbreaking when they were so close to a big jump in budget and were the first of the sub-Minardi teams to score points.

Overall, more accurate than my 2013 predictions, got two things right this year!
Now for the 2015 mud sling.

Hamilton becomes triple champ
Massa runner up
Red Bull Renault vastly improved, but reliability haunts them again, Dan Ric third overall
Rosberg to struggle against Williams and RB, fifth behind Ham, Mas, Ric and Bot
Mclaren Honda to be a mess, improving as year progresses, if he's present JB to beat Alonso. If not Alonso stomps K-Mag (or Stoffelcake) into the ground. Maybe they'll win something (Brazil 2012 seems such a long way away now).
Ferrari to be a worse mess, Kimi and Seb to go do something else
Sauber fail to survive the season
Lotus vastly improved with Merc power, but lagging behind Merc/Williams/FI due to unfamiliarity and the presence of Pasta
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Now for the 2015 mud sling.

My predictions
  • Mercedes will still have the best car on track, but not as dominant.
  • Williams to continue to impress
  • McLaren to actually produce a good car and fight for 2nd/3rd in the constructor championship with Williams
  • RedBull to come out with the fastest car on track, but get banned after it's found they are using some illegal rocket fuel, with active suspension, and a hidden double diffuser. Or more likely they build a car capable of 3rd/4th
  • VJ will get arrested for some dodgy business dealings and Force India will be sold on.
  • Hamilton to win his third title
  • Alonso to finish second with Kevin falling in somewhere about 5th or 6th never to be seen again
  • Button to leave and drive WEC
  • Ricciardo to finish 3rd, better than one would expect from the car
  • Rosberg to come in 4th as the Merc is not as dominant
  • Bottas and Massa to take 5th and 6th, not sure which
  • Vettel will regret the move to Ferrari, only finishes 7th
  • Kimi will hate the car, it will be designed around Vettel, and see out his last season in 8th or 9th
  • Hulk will again score higher than Perez
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At least 1 of the 3 engine makers will have horrible reliability issues
Kinda... Renault's engine was a dog, but it wasn't especially unreliable

People will still be whining about Pirelli's tyres
Not really

Someone will have found a rules loophole, and the other teams will bitch about it and try and have it banned [until they can exploit it themselves]
FRIC and/or the Pit Radio 'coaching'...

Ricciardo will be average at best in the Red Bull
Turned out Ricciardo made Vettel look average at best in the Red Bull

Merc will implode to some extent if Brawn leaves... Hamilton will go cry in the corner...
Nope, completely wrong on that one...

Bets will be taken up and down the pit-lane on the likelihood [and outcome] of a punch-up between Kimi and Alonso, Domenicali has a breakdown trying to control them both
Whilst Domenicali eventually got booted it wasn't for that...
Now this year's random guesswork -

The McLaren Honda will be epic... or an epic failure... I can see it being one extreme or the other...

Ferrari will have another shocking year, with neither driver demonstrating their former teammates ability to drag results out of a bad car...

Someone will have found a rules loophole, and the other teams will bitch about it and try and have it banned [until they can exploit it themselves] -- that one's always a safe bet...

Ecclescake will come out with more retarded fan-alienating utterances...

Mercedes [Engine] will still dominate things but Mercedes [Team] may not...

Maldonado will crash a lot and Lotus will be meh... but will make it up in lolworthy tweets...

Alonso finishes the season with a hobo beard...


EDIT: in case anyone's wondering why the German GP is still 'TBA', iirc there is/was an issue with the event sharing agreement between Hockenheim and the Nurburgring
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Have to say, can't wait to see how the 2015 season unfolds, just a wait before it does.

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If JB isn't at McLaren next season I'm throwing my toys out of the pram! I think he would have an excellent relationship with the Honda engineers and it would be a brilliant partnership. I predict the Honda power unit will be excellent, they will have had a whole year or more of additional time for R&D, testing etc compared to the other teams, and if you think their F1 R&D was completely canned when they exited the sport in 2008 I'd be willing to bet against you.

If McLaren can build (or have built) the chassis to utilize it and keep up with developments and upgrades as the season progresses, they will be a force to be reckoned with. It needs all of the correct ingredients though, which in my honest opinion are; Jenson Button & Fernando Alonso at the wheel, Honda power unit being a brilliant, reliable performer and an awesome McLaren car built around it with aero and handling to keep pace with the front runners as well as constant development through the course of the season. Williams have gotten their finger out and made serious advances up the grid this season, I think it's time McLaren did the same.
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If JB isn't at McLaren next season I'm throwing my toys out of the pram! I think he would have an excellent relationship with the Honda engineers and it would be a brilliant partnership.
This is why I think Button will be at McLaren next year, albeit only for a year.

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I predict the Honda power unit will be excellent, they will have had a whole year or more of additional time for R&D, testing etc compared to the other teams, and if you think their F1 R&D was completely canned when they exited the sport in 2008 I'd be willing to bet against you.

If McLaren can build (or have built) the chassis to utilize it and keep up with developments and upgrades as the season progresses, they will be a force to be reckoned with. It needs all of the correct ingredients though, which in my honest opinion are; Jenson Button & Fernando Alonso at the wheel
When the 'Alonso to McLaren' rumours surfaced my initial reaction was along the lines of 'Alonso knows something we don't', especially given how his last spell at McLaren went...

but as I said in my predictions, I see the McLaren being one extreme or the other, it'll stomp everything in sight or be an utter disaster...
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For those interested - Who's driving what and when in the upcoming 2-day test [source]

Caterham - Will Stevens [Both Days]
Ferrari - Raikkonen [Tuesday], Raffaele Marciello [Wednesday]
Force India - Jolyon Palmer [Tuesday], Spike Goddard [Wednesday]
Lotus - Charles Pic [Tuesday], Alex Lynn [Wednesday]
McLaren - Stoffel Vandoorne [Both Days]
Mercedes - Nico Rosberg [Tuesday], Pascal Wehrlein [Wednesday]
Red Bull - Carlos Sainz Jr [Tuesday], Daniel Ricciardo [Wednesday]
Sauber - Marcus Ericsson [Both Days]
Torro Rosso - Max Verstappen [Both Days]
Williams - Veltteri Bottas [Tuesday], Felipe Nasr [Wednesday]
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So my 2015 predictions:

Merc to win WCC again.
Merc Power dominates again.
Lotus back fighting in the midfield.
Caterham not on the grid.
Red Bull fastest non-Merc car.
Ferrari (what with the change in management - again) in shambles, but rebuilding, thanks to a driver pairing that can deliver.
Kimi still unhappy with the brakes, getting solidly beaten by Seb.
Hamilton to dominate his teammate and take his third WDC (at least that's what I am hoping for).
McLaren back stronger, but not quite challenging Williams.
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Confirmation, not that it was really needed, that JEV won't be at Torro Rosso next year
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