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Old 8th Sep 2011, 13:23   #1
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AMD ships first Bulldozer processors

AMD announces that it's made and sold some Bulldozer CPUs, but there's no sign of the desktop chips.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...r-processors/1
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Will be interesting to see their price range on release.
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OMG I am so bored of waiting and waiting and waiting.

I am so tempted just to get a 2500K and have done with it but I know I will kick myself hard if AMD do pull it out of the bag.

For the love of god AMD at least get some benchmarks out so we can all know if the wait will be worth it.
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Argh!
I just want one 8150 for my new Sabretooth! Come on AMD, get them out there.
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OMG I am so bored of waiting and waiting and waiting.

I am so tempted just to get a 2500K and have done with it but I know I will kick myself hard if AMD do pull it out of the bag.

For the love of god AMD at least get some benchmarks out so we can all know if the wait will be worth it.
You know what that means though... when Intel found their 'gem', they were more than happy to leak as much info on their c2d to persuade people to wait and buy their new product.
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The fact that benchmarks have hardly leaked out means that something must be wrong with Bulldozer :/
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This is a very painful wait for me .... AMD please tell us something
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You know what that means though... when Intel found their 'gem', they were more than happy to leak as much info on their c2d to persuade people to wait and buy their new product.
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The fact that benchmarks have hardly leaked out means that something must be wrong with Bulldozer :/
That's exactly what worries me, I feel if it was going to be really good they would be shouting from the rooftops by now which in turn might actually stop people from buying Intel now.
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I might've seen somewhere that the CPC performance hasn't increased that much.

On the positive side of pesimism, hopefully they've not released bench's due to hoping to get the jump on intel. Did they ever release bench's for the athlon 64 (back in the netburst day's)?
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The fact that benchmarks have hardly leaked out means that something must be wrong with Bulldozer :/
Read them and weep.....30% slower clock for clock than SB.....

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The fact that benchmarks have hardly leaked out means that something must be wrong with Bulldozer :/
Read them and weep.....30% slower clock for clock than SB.....

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a
How did you get hold of that article? It's pretty depressing if it's true - Intel will be able to charge what they like for Ivy Bridge and SB-E as it looks like Bulldozer can't even compete with this generation.
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We'll have to wait and see for release hardware what the true performance is. However, in similar number of thread apps up to the number of cores in a SB and the number of modules in a bulldozer, I'd expect the bulldozer to range from 10-30% slower clock for clock. Against hyperthreaded SB CPUs I'd expect performance in threaded apps ranging up to twice the number of cores in an SB and twice the number of modules in a bulldozer, that highly integer threads are probably going to perform similar or MAYBE a hair better than SB. In FP highly threaded applications I'd expect SB to pull even further ahead as the bulldozer cores have only somewhat improved FP performance from all indications, and they don't have the ability to run more than one FP thread per module, where as the SB hyperthreaded chips can at least run 2 per core, even if it is a time share arrangement effectively.

So frankly, with the exception of things like some server workloads (database operations, some HTPC work, fileserving and a few others) I'd expect the bulldozer chips to perform worse clock for clock by a fair margin in most desktop workloads, as most are either single threaded, lightly threaded and/or FP operations.

So for some servers, the new bulldozer chips actually make sense. For a desktop they are going to better than the old K10 and K10.5 architecture by quite a bit. Compared to SB, I frankly expect them to be a big dissapointment, though some parts may be cheaper than equivelent SB chips (I wouldn't even hold my breath on that frankly).

Against SB-E, well AMD has pretty much already said they aren't competing against it. Against Ivy Bridge, we'll see, but if Intel's talk holds up, IB is going to be far and away faster than SB with the 3D transistors in its process shrink. That leaves Bulldozer holding the bag in just a few months (maybe by early spring, could be earlier). At best Bulldozer seems like it MAY be better in some highly threaded workload scenarios (seemingly in the minority for desktop workloads) than an SB chip, and SB-E and not too much later IB are going to pull past it like a track star against a fat kid running for a candy bar.

I know AMD can't just give up on the large market shares like low/mid desktop parts, but I almost wish they'd focus in areas they might be able to beat the pants of Intel in. The E350 trashes Atom like mad, and bulldozer does sound like it'll make a lot of sense for some server types. Against mid and upper end desktop parts, Llano and Bulldozer just don't seem like they hold water. I almost wish AMD would give up and do their darndest to create really chip, really low power, really great performance per watt chips for the low end desktop, SOHO server and regular server market and just try to give up on the mid and high end desktop market. An improved architecture llano really could conquer the sub $150 desktop CPU market. An improved E350 (and other low end CPU) could dominate netbook, HTPC and SOHO servers (and with the right tweaks and low power part might even make a killer tablet processor).

Just my 2 cents. In some ways I am an Intel fanboi. I used to use AMD parts exclusively way back in the single core days (Intel Celeron 433 for me, after that all AMD parts until my latest Core 2 E7500 a couple of years ago), but since Intel kicked AMD up between the legs on performance, I haven't been able to concious buying a lower performing part when it doesn't even cost much less. Well, actually I do have a Sempron 140 in my file server, but even that looks like it might get dumped for the new Intel Celeron low power dual core part as it has significantly lower power draw and is dirt cheap (hard to argue with sub $50 price).
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The fact that benchmarks have hardly leaked out means that something must be wrong with Bulldozer :/
Read them and weep.....30% slower clock for clock than SB.....

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...ient=firefox-a
Whoever wrote that "article" was an idiot, if your going to fake something at least do get the facts of the known comparison chip right.

There is no 4 core sandy bridge chip that's got hyper threading (i.e a i7), a base clock speed of 3.0ghz with a turbo of 3.6..
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16 thread processor, im sure AMD will market that as 16 cores. despite there is only 8 modules, each module have single fetch, single decode, single floating point ALU and single write back units. each module also known as a single core by usual definition.

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each module can only fetch-decode-execute a single instruction at a time, only thing duplicated is integer ALU. so i am having real difficulty trusting AMD at the moment when they market 4-module FX processors as 8 core.
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Enough speculation and fanboy standoffs...Just let them launch the bloody things, then we will know : )
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We've been waiting for ever for proper reviews, now it's shipping and still none. Perhaps this will be the cpu you are never allowed to bench - you are only allowed to buy it if you promise to never check how fast it is.
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There is no 4 core sandy bridge chip that's got hyper threading (i.e a i7), a base clock speed of 3.0ghz with a turbo of 3.6..
Unless I have got the wrong end of the stick my Core i7 is a Quad core with hyper-threading or whatever its called presenting 8 cores to both OSX and Win7

This link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_B...top_processors would also suggest you are slightly wrong as well.

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There is no 4 core sandy bridge chip that's got hyper threading (i.e a i7), a base clock speed of 3.0ghz with a turbo of 3.6..
Unless I have got the wrong end of the stick my Core i7 is a Quad core with hyper-threading or whatever its called presenting 8 cores to both OSX and Win7

This link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_B...top_processors would also suggest you are slightly wrong as well.

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I was quoting there stats on a specific processor they were supposedly testing, and you link just proves my point, there's no 3.0ghz i7...
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