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Dae314 · 26th Oct 2011, 20:48

All right people, I wanna start a topic about game engines. I started getting curious about this when I wondered, "hmm... I wonder if Crysis 2 looks better than BF3...". That got me a whirlwind tour around the internet looking at comparisons between the Frostbite 2 Engine and CryEngine 3. Along the way I started picking up information about other engines like the Anvil engine, Unreal Engine 3, and EGO engine. I was mainly looking for graphics comparisons to start with, but I quickly found out just how many different factors the game engine decides about a game. Popular debate usually revolved around Unreal Engine 3 and CryEngine 3 in the places I looked, however I think more articles will start to include Frostbite engine 2 in the mix once BF3 gets seated firmly.

So now, I come to bit-tech for aid. I'm still mostly interested in graphics and physics, so I have this question: what are the advantages and disadvantages of whatever engines you know of in terms of graphics and physics, and out of them all which do you think is best in those 2 categories?

Discuss.

.//TuNdRa · 26th Oct 2011, 21:18

I vote the 4A engine in as one of my personal favourites. The engine that Metro 2033 is built on, for those of you that can't remember.

Phenominal DX11 engine in my opinion. Just a shame it's optimized up to the eyeballs for nvidia hardware.

Mongoose132 · 26th Oct 2011, 21:31

UE3 for the ease of use in my eyes; kismet makes life much easier

Throbbi · 26th Oct 2011, 21:34

Purely from the incredibly awesome games made and the length of time it has now been going for it has to be the Source engine.

Deders · 26th Oct 2011, 21:42

The new Unreal engine looks promising, but noticing a lot of similar effects in Frostbite 2.

Same with Crysis 2 and BF3, they do look quite similar in many ways, possibly due to the new effects that are only just starting to be used. BF3 look more cohesive as it is DX11 from the ground up.

Also like the 4A engine, some of them best looking moments in gaming there, although I can't imagine what they used to develop these games, we're only just getting cards that will run them smoothly with everything turned on.

smc8788 · 26th Oct 2011, 21:47

Umm, Cryengine 3 why? Last time I checked Cryengine 2 offered far superior visuals and physics...

Da_Rude_Baboon · 27th Oct 2011, 08:00

The Rage engine.

Parge · 27th Oct 2011, 08:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Da_Rude_Baboon

The Rage engine.

Yeah, Rage for sure (not the ID Tech 5 engine used in the game Rage, but the engine used in GTAIV)

yassarikhan786 · 27th Oct 2011, 08:54

I think the Frost Bite engine is brill

.

Jake123456 · 27th Oct 2011, 09:02

Unreal Engine 3 was truely magnificosoto. (Random word.)

lp1988 · 27th Oct 2011, 09:07

Source engine or Unreal3

The Cryengine 2 is way too bad a performer to even be considered one of the best, yea it looked good but it didn't do anything revolutionary.

Source however has been proven to be able to quite a few things, same can be said about the Unreal3.

Otis1337 · 27th Oct 2011, 09:26

Frostbite 2 without a doubt.
Crysis is showing its age now even maxed.

TheKrumpet · 27th Oct 2011, 09:42

For technical prowess: Frostbite 2 by far. It is truly bleeding-edge.
For ease-of-use and customisability: Unreal 3. Very good general-purpose engine

Source engine gets an honourable mention for still being alive after this long, and the wonderful games it has supported.

Jaybles · 27th Oct 2011, 10:18

Gamebryo

I make myself laugh.

Technical Prowess: Frostbite 2
Ahead of it's Time: Cryengine 2
Quirkiness: Modified Unreal Engine used in Borderlands

Deders · 27th Oct 2011, 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by lp1988

The Cryengine 2 is way too bad a performer to even be considered one of the best, yea it looked good but it didn't do anything revolutionary.

I thought it performed well, before the DX9 patch I could play Crysis2 smoothly, highest detail with 2x 9800GTX+'s and with DX11 it runs smoothly on my 560 TI, I think there was one point it dropped to 24Fps during a cutscene.

I do think the DX11 content was added on and not really optimised, any level with the sea in it had tessellated water running under the entire level for instance, which made it run slower on some hardware. Judging from the tech videos, if the whole game had been made in DX11 then it would look at least as good as BF3 but it wasn't and doesn't quite.

Gunsmith · 27th Oct 2011, 11:15

ive yet to see cryengine 3 do anything decent, crysis 2 was meh visually, the DX11 desselation was sloppily added resulting in lots of broken and out of place segments.

DragunovHUN · 27th Oct 2011, 11:52

Renderware, bitches

Da_Rude_Baboon · 27th Oct 2011, 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Parge

Yeah, Rage for sure (not the ID Tech 5 engine used in the game Rage, but the engine used in GTAIV)

No I meant ID Tech 5.

Bogomip · 27th Oct 2011, 16:34

Serious Engine 3 (presumably) - if its anything to go by its predecessors, it will look fantastic, and run beautifully even with 100 000 000 billion gajillion monsters on the screen!

Dae314 · 27th Oct 2011, 17:14

It's amazing how wide spread everyone's opinion is on this :O

26th Oct 2011, 20:48	#1
Dae314 Hypermodder Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hawaii Posts: 848	Best Game Engine? (CryEngine 3 vs Unreal Engine 3 vs Frostbite Engine 2 vs Others) All right people, I wanna start a topic about game engines. I started getting curious about this when I wondered, "hmm... I wonder if Crysis 2 looks better than BF3...". That got me a whirlwind tour around the internet looking at comparisons between the Frostbite 2 Engine and CryEngine 3. Along the way I started picking up information about other engines like the Anvil engine, Unreal Engine 3, and EGO engine. I was mainly looking for graphics comparisons to start with, but I quickly found out just how many different factors the game engine decides about a game. Popular debate usually revolved around Unreal Engine 3 and CryEngine 3 in the places I looked, however I think more articles will start to include Frostbite engine 2 in the mix once BF3 gets seated firmly. So now, I come to bit-tech for aid. I'm still mostly interested in graphics and physics, so I have this question: what are the advantages and disadvantages of whatever engines you know of in terms of graphics and physics, and out of them all which do you think is best in those 2 categories? Discuss. __________________ "I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi

26th Oct 2011, 21:18	#2
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Deders I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Here and there, mostly there Posts: 3,371	The new Unreal engine looks promising, but noticing a lot of similar effects in Frostbite 2. Same with Crysis 2 and BF3, they do look quite similar in many ways, possibly due to the new effects that are only just starting to be used. BF3 look more cohesive as it is DX11 from the ground up. Also like the 4A engine, some of them best looking moments in gaming there, although I can't imagine what they used to develop these games, we're only just getting cards that will run them smoothly with everything turned on. __________________ i5 750@3800 - MSI P55 GD65 - Asus GTX670 DirectCU II - 4GB OCZ DDR3 @1440 7-7-7-18 - Be Quiet! Straight Power E9 500W - Nanoxia Deep Silence One - X-FI Xtreme Gamer - Samsung 830 128GB - Spinpoint F3 1TB - WD Caviar Blue 640 - LG Flatron W2252TQ - Razer Deathadder - Thermaltake Contac 29.

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lp1988 Ultramodder Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Varde; Denmark Posts: 1,265	Source engine or Unreal3 The Cryengine 2 is way too bad a performer to even be considered one of the best, yea it looked good but it didn't do anything revolutionary. Source however has been proven to be able to quite a few things, same can be said about the Unreal3. __________________ Intel Core i5 3570K; AMD Radeon 7870 2 GB; Cooler Master CM 690; 8 GB DDR3; Corsair HX1000W; NE AUDERIS DELERE ORBEM RIGIDUM MEUM.

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Dae314 Hypermodder Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hawaii Posts: 848	It's amazing how wide spread everyone's opinion is on this :O __________________ "I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door. It opens. I've been knocking from the inside." -- Rumi