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Old 16th Aug 2014, 13:51   #1
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Mixed reviews is why I have started this thread, I have just assembled a desktop for my mother in-law and I have told her to cancel mcafee and use windows 8.1 built in security.

She will be using it for photo, home office and the occasional browsing.
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Is she tech-savvy, or an utter Luddite?
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Microsoft Security Essentail or Windows Defender in Win8+, gives you a decent A/V. It's not a great one, its just decent. It will give you adequate protection. The idea is to give you decent protection, without affecting computer performance. If you want maximum protection, then you know those A/V that brings your computer down to a crawl. That are the ones you want. Norton, for example. It will deeply scan everywhere, using multiple algorithm, and even flag unpopular software. Very aggressive. But, maximum protection.

It's a balance between protection and system performance. If you follow safe web surfing practices, then MSE is excellent choice, and don't need anything else. If you have tendency to allow programs admin privileges (UAC pompts) without thinking, and opening image.jpg.exe, and give all your money to everyone that asks in your e-mail, then you may want maximum protection solution.
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Old 16th Aug 2014, 21:31   #4
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MSE isn't much cop (PDF report from an AV testing firm). Also check out http://www.av-test.org/en/home/

Within 2 months of using MSE, I got infected with malware twice. Now, I'm usually quite careful - use firefox with ABP and Flash Block, stay away from dodgy sites, etc - so how this happened was a mystery.

Avast is free and just requires you re-register once a year. It's no system hog either. The links above show that it's not perfect, but for a free AV it's considerably better than MSE.
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From the sounds of it she won't be visiting dodgy sites or clicking on intrusive advertisements.

MSE isn't going to offer any ground breaking protection but with no torrenting of the latest films or tv shows it should offer adequate protection. If using Firefox I'd add on something like ad-block plus as well to limit the potential for any harmful ad's to be clicked.

The big plus being the user isn't going to be harassed with popups asking them what to do (at which point they'd inevitably call you. )

Another alternative if you were looking down the paid route is ESET smart security (or AV). I use it on any of my machines that other family members get to use. It doesn't constantly ask about whether to allow things or not and it is incredibly lightweight (for aftermarket AV).
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I've been using MSE and now Windows Defender for ages. It's on my dads laptop, my sisters laptop and my uncles PC. None of them are good with technology and they've all been fine.

Going by Beasteh's link, I've just downloaded Avira free to give it a go. It found 1 thing, which I'm 99% sure it's a false positive and nothing else. More importantly though, it's on demand scanner is called Luke Filewalker.

Safe internet practices go a very very long way, unless they plan on opening every exe and link to free stuff/cheap viagra/reduced rolexs etc, i think MSE will be fine. AV Comparatives also rates Avira highly http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php
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I've said it once and I'll say it indefinitely. MS Security essentials is rubbish, it fails on empirical virus testing benchmarks and should be shot in the face. Microsoft themselves say its a better than nothing but you should probably use something else kind of thing. There's not a single reason to use something else that is free, and better at detecting viruses. I use AVG and Avast, I prefer AVG. Unless the hardware is seriously (with a capital seriously) under powered, just pick anything that's free, not MSE and watch for the usual ask.com and google browser extension check boxes.

If performance is an issue you could install malwarebytes free and run a scan whenever you are inevitably coerced into visiting the in laws.
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Is she tech-savvy, or an utter Luddite?
She knows how to switch it on. Tech savvy compared to some.

I did a free course back in 2000 for Microsoft office and an old couple was kicked off because they couldn't switch it on. A bit harsh but the lecturer was a clown in his spare time.
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Microsoft Security Essentail or Windows Defender in Win8+, gives you a decent A/V. It's not a great one, its just decent. It will give you adequate protection. The idea is to give you decent protection, without affecting computer performance. If you want maximum protection, then you know those A/V that brings your computer down to a crawl. That are the ones you want. Norton, for example. It will deeply scan everywhere, using multiple algorithm, and even flag unpopular software. Very aggressive. But, maximum protection.

It's a balance between protection and system performance. If you follow safe web surfing practices, then MSE is excellent choice, and don't need anything else. If you have tendency to allow programs admin privileges (UAC pompts) without thinking, and opening image.jpg.exe, and give all your money to everyone that asks in your e-mail, then you may want maximum protection solution.
Another member of the family uses the computer on a very rare occasion. Also this persons laptop was infected with random ware. :eek:

Mobile phones and tablets are not pc replacements, typo above. But great when you can't be a***d to switch it on.
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From the sounds of it she won't be visiting dodgy sites or clicking on intrusive advertisements.

MSE isn't going to offer any ground breaking protection but with no torrenting of the latest films or tv shows it should offer adequate protection. If using Firefox I'd add on something like ad-block plus as well to limit the potential for any harmful ad's to be clicked.

The big plus being the user isn't going to be harassed with popups asking them what to do (at which point they'd inevitably call you. )

Another alternative if you were looking down the paid route is ESET smart security (or AV). I use it on any of my machines that other family members get to use. It doesn't constantly ask about whether to allow things or not and it is incredibly lightweight (for aftermarket AV).
I hope not anyway
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Microsoft Security Essentail or Windows Defender in Win8+, gives you a decent A/V. It's not a great one, its just decent. It will give you adequate protection. The idea is to give you decent protection, without affecting computer performance. If you want maximum protection, then you know those A/V that brings your computer down to a crawl. That are the ones you want. Norton, for example. It will deeply scan everywhere, using multiple algorithm, and even flag unpopular software. Very aggressive. But, maximum protection.

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No just no (no offence intended ). MSE is utter garbage. Bit defenderfree anti virus or ssomething similar is a far better solution and uses next to no resources.
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I've said it once and I'll say it indefinitely. MS Security essentials is rubbish, it fails on empirical virus testing benchmarks and should be shot in the face. Microsoft themselves say its a better than nothing but you should probably use something else kind of thing. There's not a single reason to use something else that is free, and better at detecting viruses. I use AVG and Avast, I prefer AVG. Unless the hardware is seriously (with a capital seriously) under powered, just pick anything that's free, not MSE and watch for the usual ask.com and google browser extension check boxes.

If performance is an issue you could install malwarebytes free and run a scan whenever you are inevitably coerced into visiting the in laws.
It has an a6 5400k inside and thought it was a good replacement for an older single core celeron. She is mulling over kaspersky back in 2012 MSE was tested at 91% detection but I can't find what mag I read that in.
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I've been using MSE and now Windows Defender for ages. It's on my dads laptop, my sisters laptop and my uncles PC. None of them are good with technology and they've all been fine.

Going by Beasteh's link, I've just downloaded Avira free to give it a go. It found 1 thing, which I'm 99% sure it's a false positive and nothing else. More importantly though, it's on demand scanner is called Luke Filewalker.

Safe internet practices go a very very long way, unless they plan on opening every exe and link to free stuff/cheap viagra/reduced rolexs etc, i think MSE will be fine. AV Comparatives also rates Avira highly http://chart.av-comparatives.org/chart1.php
MSE serving her good at the minute while she is thinking about buying some AV software. She was paying £3 a month for mcafee and had never been infected. If mcafee can protect her pc then hopefully MSE can do the same job for free.

Saying about kaspersky in another post, I like kaspersky but it has personally caused me a few problems with hardware changes for some reason.
Also a member of her clan have had blue screens and been infected with viruses more than once on a laptop, with free software having to remove the virus.

Also personally I get kaspersky free

Yes Avira looks good and take that into consideration thanks.
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I've been using Avira since the I posted, it's decent. Has a few false +ives, but that's also down to the stuff I have on my PC

It did pick up Minecraft beta 1.8 prerelease as a virus, which I sent off to Avira and they're still saying it's a virus which is very strange but oh well. Also it pops up a window occassionally, probably done it twice now. I just told my dad to keep an eye out and close it. All in all, works well and does the job too. If she gets flustered by possible pop ups I'd avoid. It's pretty obvious it's asking if you want to upgrade, but iirc it does the whole "you should totally upgrade to be protected by such and such threat".
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It has an a6 5400k inside and thought it was a good replacement for an older single core celeron. She is mulling over kaspersky back in 2012 MSE was tested at 91% detection but I can't find what mag I read that in.
Here is an article from last year on MSE

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