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docodine · 8th Mar 2012, 13:42

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1675393

http://www.overclock.net/t/1215866/r...d-catleap-q270

Basically, 2560x1440 27" IPS monitors for half the price of Apple, Dell, etc.

Does anyone here have any experience with these? Apparently these monitors have the same panels as the Apple 27" display, but they're being sold for ~$400 (£250) on eBay. More for the more feature-full variants (OSD, better dead pixel guarantees, etc).

I've already started budgeting for one, and might buy by the time my birthday rolls around next month.

Quality seems to be extremely hit and miss, especially on the one with the glass screen. Reports of bits of dust stuck inside the housing aren't uncommon. Backlight bleed also seems to be all over the place.

Some variants have VESA mounts, which is pretty neat.

These are definitely not better than the U2711 or others, but for the price they seem fantastic.

wuyanxu · 8th Mar 2012, 14:05

wow, that's fantastic value. a bit of casing lottery, but the actual panels should be solid. (since there's only one LG IPS that does this resolution)

i would say go for it, looks like a great deal.

GoodBytes · 8th Mar 2012, 14:26

It's funny, it's EXACTLY the Hazro, look, just the name is different. LOL!

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz27wa.htm

true_gamer · 8th Mar 2012, 14:27

I'm liking the 95Hz-97Hz refresh rate.

longweight · 8th Mar 2012, 14:40

If they do a 30" version I will be all over it for my desk at work!

GoodBytes · 8th Mar 2012, 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by true_gamer

I'm liking the 95Hz-97Hz refresh rate.

I am voting that the monitor circuitry is busted, or the circuit drops it down to 60Hz, so you are feeding the monitor more frames it can actual handle.. don't ask what it will do to gaming. It might even break the circuit inside at a long term... (especially that I highly doubt that there is any quality out of these) who knows, but the specs states 60Hz, If people desires to push it, well to bad for them.

IvanIvanovich · 8th Mar 2012, 17:16

They do seem like an alright deal on B-grade panels. I'm still going to wait and see what LG prices the upcoming DM series at. Considering how competitive pricing was on BN series these might not turn out to be that great of a deal.

.//TuNdRa · 8th Mar 2012, 17:27

I'm curious to see the actual quality of one of these panels. I've been wanting IPS goodness for a while, and upgrading to 2560x1440 while i'm at it would be nice.

KidMod-Southpaw · 8th Mar 2012, 17:28

I'm rocking a couple of the LG BN panels and they're great! Especially at £126 each.
Even if the monitor is that much of a bargain, I still wouldn't be tempted if they're hit and miss.

Mac_Trekkie · 9th Mar 2012, 00:20

It seems to have pretty solid reviews, and a couple of the Catleap variant sellers on EBay have near perfect feedback. I might try getting one, I'm in no need of professional level controls like the U2711 has, and at this price I don't see how I could pass it up, since it's about the same as the Dell U2412m I was eyeing up.

GoodBytes · 9th Mar 2012, 00:37

Never listen to user reviews. Else the 80$ TN panel, no stand included, and you have to drill your own VESA holes yourself, would also be an excellent choice.
The problem is that people consider price... and anything can be a "good deal". That is also why we don't have nice things, and consumer computer are bombarded with junk and advertisement per-installed, only 1 year warranty, horrible warranty service, horrible after sale service, and cheap quality.

The reason why I am not exited by this, is because I was exctlay like you.
"Oh RAM is RAM, I won't overclock it. Let me buy this no name value pack value RAM", same for everything with my computer down to keyboard and mouse. I was like "A mouse is a mouse, I won't fall for these marketing crap and fancy colors and spending more than 8$ on a mouse.". I was usng VIA chipset. The only thing that was not crap was my CRT monitor, because I had no choice, as the flickering was too much, so I had to get a monitor, not only with a fast response time, but also higher grade phosphore to stop it, and the GPU, because I had to play games.

All I had was problems, everything was not enjoyable, which made everything sucked. The computer was noisy, always crashing, my keyboard was impossible to type on, and keys stops working shortly after. Friends laughing at me for all the problems I had with the system, forum (not here) gave up on helping me. This is where I had enough. I worked my ass off during summer to save up and get myself and high-end (not really spec wise, but I did spend 700$ on a CPU, to get AMD's (Intel had nothing alike) first Dual Core, 64-bit CPU. And it never caused me any issues since, And it's still running today.. it pass thought XP, Vista 64-bit with an enjoyable experience, and now Win7 64-bit.
My dad uses it now, as the CPU isn't powerful enough for my needs, but still awesome how far it keeps going. It passed though a few keyboard and mouse, but always great ones, which made the experience very enjoyable. And today I continue this path.

This is what i expect from this monitor:
-> Floating stand (the monitor will hold in in place)
-> Terrible back light bleeding
-> Terrible back light evenness
-> Horrible build quality
-> 0 warranty
-> 0 support
-> Will break in a year (else you got a manufacture error, lucky you)
-> Average colors (a la TN panels,)
-> not great ACTUAL response time

And of course glossy.
Is it worth it? Not in my book.

Tangster · 9th Mar 2012, 00:43

Glossy screen. I'll pass.

.//TuNdRa · 9th Mar 2012, 05:59

Glossy; I can live with. The colours appear to be better in all comparison images I've seen. (Yes, even on my TN panel.) Backlight bleed doesn't look anywhere near as bad as my current screen, so that would be an improvement. Blacks look better. I'm going to be sticking it on a VESA mount anyway, so even if the stand is crap; It doesn't matter.

At the end of the day; I think we all recognize it's not going to be amazingly high quality. However: If it proves to be better than everything else at the same price-point, and doesn't explode within a short amount of time; what is there to loose? I've known some exceptionally cheap components that have just refused to die before now.

Everything I can find so far, albeit in Korean, claims that the panels are actually reasonably good. Not groundbreaking amazing like the U2711, but considering it's not much over half the price; I wouldn't complain too much about it.

j4mi3 · 9th Mar 2012, 07:27

No way in hell would I risk that. Also good reviews can easily be done by the sellers themselves

longweight · 9th Mar 2012, 07:34

I just want the big resolution, I don't care about the colour quality that much.

Parge · 9th Mar 2012, 07:50

To anyone considering this monitor, be aware that you are entering a lottery.

On the one hand you might get a good deal - a 27" 2560x1400 IPS panel for ~£300

On the other hand you might get a panel riddled with dead pixels, that lasts a year, with absolutely no chance of a refund. Be aware that a new Dell U2711 with a three year warranty and pixel guarantee costs £600 or so - and that is not a rip off.

Goodbytes advice is sound, but of course, the decision is yours.

longweight · 9th Mar 2012, 07:54

Yeah I know but I don't need the U2711 quality at work, I love it at home but I just need more work space at work! 2, 1920 x 1080 monitors isn't good enough and the low resolution really bugs me!

Margon · 9th Mar 2012, 08:12

my monitor is a cheap pos anyway that cost about the same as this so I might buy one of these at the end of the month - Then i'll let you all know how good/bad/ugly it is!

Parge · 9th Mar 2012, 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margo Baggins

my monitor is a cheap pos anyway that cost about the same as this so I might buy one of these at the end of the month - Then i'll let you all know how good/bad/ugly it is!

Please do!

jizwizard · 9th Mar 2012, 10:22

All the info you need on these monitors
170 pages of info reviews and much more
Enjoy

http://www.overclock.net/t/1215866/r...d-catleap-q270

8th Mar 2012, 13:42	#1
docodine I Mod, Therefore I Own Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,684	Cheap Korean 27" IPS Monitors http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1675393 http://www.overclock.net/t/1215866/r...d-catleap-q270 Basically, 2560x1440 27" IPS monitors for half the price of Apple, Dell, etc. Does anyone here have any experience with these? Apparently these monitors have the same panels as the Apple 27" display, but they're being sold for ~$400 (£250) on eBay. More for the more feature-full variants (OSD, better dead pixel guarantees, etc). I've already started budgeting for one, and might buy by the time my birthday rolls around next month. Quality seems to be extremely hit and miss, especially on the one with the glass screen. Reports of bits of dust stuck inside the housing aren't uncommon. Backlight bleed also seems to be all over the place. Some variants have VESA mounts, which is pretty neat. These are definitely not better than the U2711 or others, but for the price they seem fantastic. __________________ Intel i7-3820 @ 4.65GHz \| HD 7850 \| 4x4GB Vengeance \| Asus Sabertooth X79 HAF XB \| OCZ 1000W \| Samsung 830 256GB \| CM QF Pro w/Browns \| CM Xornet

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GoodBytes How many wifi's does it have? Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 11,650	It's funny, it's EXACTLY the Hazro, look, just the name is different. LOL! http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/hazro_hz27wa.htm __________________ Nv GPU Pro - Automate your graphic card overclock base on what you run, reduce power and noise. Designed for Laptops and Desktops. Filled with features. Core i7 930 2.8GHz \| G.Skill Pi 6GB 1600MHz 7-5-7-24 1.5V \| Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 \| GeForce GTX 260 \| W.D Caviar Black 1TB \| Corsair AX750 \| Noctua NH-U12P \| Xonar Essence STX \| Win8 Pro 64-bit \| Dell U2410 - 1920x1200 \| OCZ Vertex 4 250GB

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IvanIvanovich будет глотать вашу душу. Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: USA Posts: 3,804	They do seem like an alright deal on B-grade panels. I'm still going to wait and see what LG prices the upcoming DM series at. Considering how competitive pricing was on BN series these might not turn out to be that great of a deal. __________________ [end of line] intel i5-750 \| evga p55 sli \| 8gb mushkin blackline \| evga gtx670 \| 240gb mushkin chronos dx \| creative titanium hd \| mushkin 580w \| gh60 custom \| logitech mx revolution \| achieva shimian qh270

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8th Mar 2012, 17:27	#8
.//TuNdRa Resident Bulldozer Guru Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Northamptonshire Region. Posts: 3,562	I'm curious to see the actual quality of one of these panels. I've been wanting IPS goodness for a while, and upgrading to 2560x1440 while i'm at it would be nice. __________________ Dozy Beast: AMD FX8120 \| Thermalright Archon \| Asus Crosshair V Formula \| 16GB (4x4GB) Corsair Vengeance LP \| Asus Xonar DX/XD \| 2X SLI KFA2 550Ti White Edition \| Silverstone SSTG1000W \| Silverstone Raven RV-02B V1.7 \| OCZ Agility 3 60GB \| 1.5TB in Drives \| Lite-on Blu-ray ROM Acer H226HQL \| Sennheiser HD 485s \| Creative Gigaworks T40s \| Logitech G13 \| Microsoft Sidewinder X6 \| Cyborg R.A.T 9

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9th Mar 2012, 00:20	#10
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9th Mar 2012, 00:37	#11
GoodBytes How many wifi's does it have? Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 11,650	Never listen to user reviews. Else the 80$ TN panel, no stand included, and you have to drill your own VESA holes yourself, would also be an excellent choice. The problem is that people consider price... and anything can be a "good deal". That is also why we don't have nice things, and consumer computer are bombarded with junk and advertisement per-installed, only 1 year warranty, horrible warranty service, horrible after sale service, and cheap quality. The reason why I am not exited by this, is because I was exctlay like you. "Oh RAM is RAM, I won't overclock it. Let me buy this no name value pack value RAM", same for everything with my computer down to keyboard and mouse. I was like "A mouse is a mouse, I won't fall for these marketing crap and fancy colors and spending more than 8$ on a mouse.". I was usng VIA chipset. The only thing that was not crap was my CRT monitor, because I had no choice, as the flickering was too much, so I had to get a monitor, not only with a fast response time, but also higher grade phosphore to stop it, and the GPU, because I had to play games. All I had was problems, everything was not enjoyable, which made everything sucked. The computer was noisy, always crashing, my keyboard was impossible to type on, and keys stops working shortly after. Friends laughing at me for all the problems I had with the system, forum (not here) gave up on helping me. This is where I had enough. I worked my ass off during summer to save up and get myself and high-end (not really spec wise, but I did spend 700$ on a CPU, to get AMD's (Intel had nothing alike) first Dual Core, 64-bit CPU. And it never caused me any issues since, And it's still running today.. it pass thought XP, Vista 64-bit with an enjoyable experience, and now Win7 64-bit. My dad uses it now, as the CPU isn't powerful enough for my needs, but still awesome how far it keeps going. It passed though a few keyboard and mouse, but always great ones, which made the experience very enjoyable. And today I continue this path. This is what i expect from this monitor: -> Floating stand (the monitor will hold in in place) -> Terrible back light bleeding -> Terrible back light evenness -> Horrible build quality -> 0 warranty -> 0 support -> Will break in a year (else you got a manufacture error, lucky you) -> Average colors (a la TN panels,) -> not great ACTUAL response time And of course glossy. Is it worth it? Not in my book. __________________ Nv GPU Pro - Automate your graphic card overclock base on what you run, reduce power and noise. Designed for Laptops and Desktops. Filled with features. Core i7 930 2.8GHz \| G.Skill Pi 6GB 1600MHz 7-5-7-24 1.5V \| Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD5 \| GeForce GTX 260 \| W.D Caviar Black 1TB \| Corsair AX750 \| Noctua NH-U12P \| Xonar Essence STX \| Win8 Pro 64-bit \| Dell U2410 - 1920x1200 \| OCZ Vertex 4 250GB Last edited by GoodBytes; 9th Mar 2012 at 00:55.

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.//TuNdRa Resident Bulldozer Guru Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Northamptonshire Region. Posts: 3,562	Glossy; I can live with. The colours appear to be better in all comparison images I've seen. (Yes, even on my TN panel.) Backlight bleed doesn't look anywhere near as bad as my current screen, so that would be an improvement. Blacks look better. I'm going to be sticking it on a VESA mount anyway, so even if the stand is crap; It doesn't matter. At the end of the day; I think we all recognize it's not going to be amazingly high quality. However: If it proves to be better than everything else at the same price-point, and doesn't explode within a short amount of time; what is there to loose? I've known some exceptionally cheap components that have just refused to die before now. Everything I can find so far, albeit in Korean, claims that the panels are actually reasonably good. Not groundbreaking amazing like the U2711, but considering it's not much over half the price; I wouldn't complain too much about it. __________________ Dozy Beast: AMD FX8120 \| Thermalright Archon \| Asus Crosshair V Formula \| 16GB (4x4GB) Corsair Vengeance LP \| Asus Xonar DX/XD \| 2X SLI KFA2 550Ti White Edition \| Silverstone SSTG1000W \| Silverstone Raven RV-02B V1.7 \| OCZ Agility 3 60GB \| 1.5TB in Drives \| Lite-on Blu-ray ROM Acer H226HQL \| Sennheiser HD 485s \| Creative Gigaworks T40s \| Logitech G13 \| Microsoft Sidewinder X6 \| Cyborg R.A.T 9 Last edited by .//TuNdRa; 9th Mar 2012 at 06:11.

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longweight GIFted Join Date: May 2011 Location: London Posts: 9,265	I just want the big resolution, I don't care about the colour quality that much.

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Parge Do you even mod, bro? Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London, UK Posts: 7,207	To anyone considering this monitor, be aware that you are entering a lottery. On the one hand you might get a good deal - a 27" 2560x1400 IPS panel for ~£300 On the other hand you might get a panel riddled with dead pixels, that lasts a year, with absolutely no chance of a refund. Be aware that a new Dell U2711 with a three year warranty and pixel guarantee costs £600 or so - and that is not a rip off. Goodbytes advice is sound, but of course, the decision is yours. __________________ Deep Silence 1 - 2500K @4.6Ghz - ROG Maximus V Extreme - GTX 670 - 16GB 1866mhz Tactical Tracer - 240GB Vertex 3 - Xonar DX - U3011 Pump/MCP 355 - CPU/EK Supreme HF Nickel Plexi - GPU/EK Nickel Acetal Full Cover - Rads/2x EK 240 XTX - Fans/6x Gentle Typhoon 1850s - Controller/BigNG

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longweight GIFted Join Date: May 2011 Location: London Posts: 9,265	Yeah I know but I don't need the U2711 quality at work, I love it at home but I just need more work space at work! 2, 1920 x 1080 monitors isn't good enough and the low resolution really bugs me!

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Margon Margon Man Join Date: May 2010 Location: Brighton Posts: 2,315	my monitor is a cheap pos anyway that cost about the same as this so I might buy one of these at the end of the month - Then i'll let you all know how good/bad/ugly it is! __________________ i7 920 - 12GB - 5870 Keycool 87 Ergo-Clears - Cougar Attack Reds - KBT Oni Blue + clear springs - Ducky DK1087 Browns - Cherry G80-3700 Blacks

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jizwizard stop your grinning and drop your li Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,319	All the info you need on these monitors 170 pages of info reviews and much more Enjoy http://www.overclock.net/t/1215866/r...d-catleap-q270 __________________ Bitfenix Prodigy / Asus p8z77-I deluxe / 2700k@5.2 / Samsung 2x4gb @ 2400mhz / Hx1050 (overkill) / Gtx570 (soon to be 690) / 2x64gb M4 / WD 3tb book / BenQ 2410t G19 / G27 / and some watercooling for good measure