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Old 13th Mar 2012, 12:09   #1
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Former Microsoftie launches 'Fixing Windows 8'

Mike Bibik, former Microsoft employee, has launched a site in the hopes of getting Windows 8 changed.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/bits/20...ng-windows-8/1
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For me it just highlights the big problem Microsoft has: how to sell an upgrade that nobody needs.

Windows 7 works very well for most people so why pay (yet) again for windows 8? Answer: because it makes your PC look a bit like an iPad! Yaaay! Because every right thinking person knows that Apple is trendy and trendy is obviously better.
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I really hope Microsoft are reading this guy's feedback closely. He echoes the sentiment of many, and his voice carries much more weight than the average commenter due to his experience in UX design, and he actually has good solutions to the issues instead of just "Metro sucks, I want Windows 7".
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about time!

Metro simply does NOT work on desktop, anything higher than about 1600x1000 will mean massive amount of wasted space.
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Watched that Dad trying to use W8 yesterday, loved it, hope Microsoft pay attention.
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It's just a shame that it has had to be left so late to really show the issues, even if Microsoft do anything, it's not going to be major. That's why I'm glad that they've extended the lifetime of Windows 7.

Actually, I'm sure Microsoft are listening, all they will do is add an off button for metro. That's good enough for me!
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Win7 is to Win8 what XP was to Vista.

And here's something for any M$ exec to read, should he wander by...

I am NOT going to upgrade from win7 to an OS PRIMARILY design for a touchscreen (interface) I do not have and do not want on my desktop.
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Actually, I'm sure Microsoft are listening, all they will do is add an off button for metro. That's good enough for me!
call it Windows 7.5, cheap upgrade fee from Win7. all i want is under-the-hood speed improvements and the new file copy box.

this Metro UI just doesn't work on desktop. im using a 2560x1440 monitor, not a 1024x768 tablet!
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this Metro UI just doesn't work on desktop. im using a 2560x1440 monitor, not a 1024x768 tablet!
If they are designing around 1024768 tablets then it will be out of date (compared to the competition) before it even launches given the fact that the new iPad and latest Asus tablets have extremely high resolution screens!
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So why does this guy no longer work for Microsoft? sour grapes by any chance?

Calling this "Win7 is to Win8 what XP was to Vista" is very premature. Some people just want to hate on Microsoft.

What do you think they release the Beta for?
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all i want is under-the-hood speed improvements and the new file copy box.
You should install a program called Tera Copy... It replaces the Windows copy box and has more information and a pause button, it also queues up multiple copies so only one will happen at any time.

I have been using it for years and am very happy, it's FREEWARE too.
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I agree with a lot of the problems that have been introduced with trying to move the interface to floating/invisible bars. The trouble is that they are not intuitive to use. Most people multitask from the taskbar at the bottom of the screen. I'd suggest rather than there being a scrollbar down there on the start menu that there be something a bit more traditional, i.e. the time at the far right, a windows logo at the far left which launches the charms menu perhaps. The rest of the bar would be used primarily for seeing/previewing running apps/programs - it works so incredibly well in Win7 - why has it been swept under the carpet?

The charms menu sort of works but is also partly broken in that it's not immediately obvious what the options actually do. The search icon needs to work universally the same wherever you are. As it is at the moment, switching between apps (particularly if there are more than two) is a real ballache - it's just not intuitive at all and what should be a quick move, click turns into a game of move, move argh! move, move slower argh! ok, move, move, oh I see right-o, what a bloody pain that is. Even on a touch screen I can envisage that is going to cause major issues.

There needs to be a 'help me out here, bud' option when you're first starting off that overlays the hotpoints on the screen and either persistent or whenever you draw your mouse nearer to one, they need to have labels pop up saying what each of them does.
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The Metro UI is just going to destroy Microsoft, and it would be so easy to fix if they take a leaf out of some of the older Linux distros like Bodhi ( I think ), basically right click on the desktop and you get a launch pad for all installed programs.
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So why does this guy no longer work for Microsoft? sour grapes by any chance?

Calling this "Win7 is to Win8 what XP was to Vista" is very premature. Some people just want to hate on Microsoft.

What do you think they release the Beta for?
probably because he kept opposing their ideas. my programming professor in college used to work for MS, but he quit due to how much he disliked vista. now he's a linux developer.

personally, i agree with Bibik. I tried windows 8 and thought it was the worst computing experience i ever had - i'd rather use vista without it's service packs, which says a lot since i never kept vista installed on any of my computers.
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You should install a program called Tera Copy... It replaces the Windows copy box and has more information and a pause button, it also queues up multiple copies so only one will happen at any time.

I have been using it for years and am very happy, it's FREEWARE too.
The file management changes they've made in Windows 8 are pretty awesome - they make stuff like TeraCopy/FastCopy largely redundant through the improvements they made (unless you have a specialised need like scheduled batch copies or something).
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Now who's put this out? - Microsoft - They trying to drive me to mac? enough said I think.
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hahahahahaa I love it. Another broken Windows. I will wait until W9..that stands a chance of being worthy.
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Sadly, at this late stage, it seems unlikely that Microsoft will be paying much attention.
Why not? They made a load of fixes and changes after the Developer Preview, I don't see why they wouldn't listen to feedback. That's what the Consumer Preview is for. Microsoft doesn't want another Vista.
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Looking at his 'fixes', I can't stand any of them (or the attitude that keyboard shortcuts should only be a secondary mode of interaction, rather than a primary). They're all awkward kludges of Metro and the start menu, with an unnecessary persistent taskbar and start button. Fixes are needed (mainly beating developers about the head with stick to prevent needless start screen clutter, and a method for dealing with folders of legacy app shortcuts), but trying to squeeze Metro into the desktop sounds like it would just cause more problems than it solves to pander to those who fear change. And this coming from someone who still uses Firefox (well, Palemoon) 3.x skinned to look like 2.x!
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Am I the only one who actually dare I say it, LIKES the metro UI? This is coming from a Linux loving, Mac hating, Vista hating, 7 loving user. Yeah it has some problems but it would only take someone a second to show that guy that there is a WINDOWS key on just about every keyboard these days that brings up the menu. I just see everyone going crazy over this as they've took away the one thing they've had for 17 years, with a replacement that isn't actually that much worse. Though the all programs section is FAR too big in terms of icons which makes it harder to read than it should be.
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You're not alone. I like it, even if I am using it with the apparently inferior method of KB+M.
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