Rant Apples haters...

[Guinevere]

Originally Posted by Jaybles

See those 2 arrows in the top right hand corner. Fullscreen.

LOL, you're right but it's terribly misleading to compare Lion's Fullscreen mode with a window maximise function.

I use "BetterSnapTool" on OSX to allow me to maximise or snap to a 50% screen size (Just like I can on Windows), but I can't use Apple's fullscreen mode most of the time as it maximising one app to full screen and then it BLANKS OFF YOUR SECONDARY SCREEN!

It's a nice thing to use on say an 11" Air but on a desktop Mac with multiple monitors it's terribly deficient.

There's no denying that if you like working with a single app maximised then Apple's default behaviour will only do this for some software (It's up to the software to choose!). I work like this so I installed a tool from the App Store.

People tweak Windows all the time to add "Apple like" features. Hey some say Microsoft have borrowed a few tricks from Apple from time to time*. But as soon as someone mentions Apple being different and needing a tweak to "Make it more like Windows" it's a major failing somehow! I really don't get it. No OS is 100% the same as another (And some may claim that Linux isn't even like another Linux distro!" so if you miss something you're used to then find a solution.

OSX does things a bit differently. Get over it. I can't use Apple's fullscreen mode 24/7 so I don't use it. I wouldn't use one on Windows either... but it doesn't even have one.

*Please don't bring up the "Apple stole the WIMP interface from Xerox" chestnut. Xerox showed Apple the tech so they would be allowed the honour of investing $1million in Apple.

[rollo]

Surprised this topic is still going

Buy what you want or more what you can afford

Tablets have changed most ordinary pc/mac users habits forever my Mams of has not been turned on since she brought a iPad.

Most people use a pc to browse Internet send email and play Facebook that's about it, all can be done on an iPad which is not only cheaper but doesn't suffer major slowdown if you stick to much on it, SSDs are changing pc slowdown but they are few and far between in the £3-500 bracket.( which is what an iPad is priced between)

Phone is personal preference

My parents own blackberrys and would never buy a touchscreen phone
I have owned 2 phones recently Samsung galaxy s2 and an iPhone 4s the andriod phone is fun to use from a tech perspective I love configuring it to my own pref. problem is iPhone has the better apps and is a much easier setup and for 99% of people that's what is selling them an iPhone.

For the cost of the Mac all in one there's no real other choice if you want an all in one
Sony are the only other manufacture who really make an up to date line so you get to choose Sony or apple wonder who has broken more laws in that argument

Samsung and apple are in the process of settling all lawsuits as apple provides close to 50% of samsungs manufacturing business which is still 60% of there products.

Apple gets good deals on parts because it's ordering millions same way ps3 and Xbox 360 is made Sony and ms brought millions of each part. They are basically getting them close to cost due to the amount they buy.

It's not like me and you visiting scan and buying the parts lol

[Nexxo]

Originally Posted by faugusztin

And do you see the "there is a subtle difference between maximize and full screen" line in my post ?

Yeah, in Windows they are one and the same thing. In OSX they are two different things with two different buttons.

Originally Posted by faugusztin

And now find me the "When i close the lid" option there. Oh wait, there is none. This is what i am talking about.

Gosh. You'll just have to download a free plug-in then. Like I dowloaded RocketDock for Windows, or a plugin to show USB memory sticks on desktop like OSX does. Oh, the humanity!

[WarrenJ]

I use Mac's at work on a daily basis, I have to say, for my uses, i find a PC a lot more efficient and versatile.

Our designers use both Mac's and PC's with equal results and performance.

The biggest downside we have at work with Mac's is when one goes wrong (and yes, they do) there's a minimum of 3 days downtime for that perticular Mac. Where if something goes wrong on a PC, it's easily diagnosed, next day delivery and boom, it's fixed and production starts again.

I find it more down to personal preference than ability to do tasks.

[Archtronics]

This topic hit a nerve Nexxo?

I would like to see some new designs coming out of apple soon something with a bit of colour would be nice..

[lp1988]

Originally Posted by Cei

...and this has what to do with Steve Jobs' personal decisions on his health?

It has as such nothing to do with his health, but his ethics do reflect onto his company. I would argue that in case with apple it is even more prevalent as Jobs were very much the heart of the company.

Originally Posted by Cei

As for the rest of your points:
1) They don't "crack down" on every company with an i in it. They take steps if their IP is being stolen - just like Microsoft, Motorola, Kodak, Sony, Samsung, Nokia, RIM.... You're exaggerating with your comment, and ignoring the fact that, unfortunately, legal action is very common amongst big companies.

I am not concerned with the struggles between big companies, however Apple has been cracking down on very small companies that has no chance to fight off the legal department of apple seemingly intent on being the only ones in the world using things like apples, I and pad in their names.

Originally Posted by Cei

2) Apple don't take action? Foxconn, who make most of Apple's stuff, have raised salaries twice - and you can bet your bottom dollar Apple was involved. Even the reporting companies acknowledge that Apple are actually changing things with their suppliers.

Foxconn is not quite as bad as many give them out to be compared with other companies in China, just came from there and I would really not have to work there ever. However notice how this was firstly after a widespread reporting about the company. Whether apple was involved in this at this point is as such irrelevant, if you have to be exposed in the media before you start changing things you really aren't holding the moral high ground are you?

Originally Posted by Cei

3) Non-removable batteries are pretty common I'm afraid, and I don't see other manufacturers rushing out to tell you about it either.

Again my problem is not with the non removable batteries but with the fact that the costumers wasn't told until tree days after launch.

Originally Posted by Cei

4) Google removes apps too.

Indeed however the cases of removing apps because they may have a slight negative opinion of apple seems less prevailing in Google.

Originally Posted by Cei

5) Flash on mobile devices is junk. I couldn't give a flying hoot that my iPhone doesn't support it - good riddance. Hell, even Adobe have decided to ditch it. I've not had problems with no Java either. It's not anti-competitive simply due to the fact that Apple don't provide (and force you to use) an alternative of their own making, you just don't get the feature at all. That then becomes something that dictates whether you buy the device or not, if you care about it.

Doesn't matter that it is junk, really what matters is that there are no way to install it. if you really want to you should be able to install a batterykillerapp on your phone if you feel like it. It again is the decision to make it impossible I have a problem with, not the one of not making it a standard. Not asking them to provide you with the alternative, but just to make it possible for you to change to it if you so wish, regardless of this alternative being a worse piece of software.

[Nexxo]

Originally Posted by Archtronics

This topic hit a nerve Nexxo?

Because I challenge subjectively biased and poorly founded arguments? Yeah, must be my grumpy nature.

[rollo]

No apple phone product or mp3 product has had a remove able battery

[faugusztin]

Originally Posted by Nexxo

Gosh. You'll just have to download a free plug-in then.

But that is exactly my issue. Why do i have to download a tool for a common laptop screnario, which is handled well by every other OS ?

[Cei]

Originally Posted by lp1988

It has as such nothing to do with his health, but his ethics do reflect onto his company. I would argue that in case with apple it is even more prevalent as Jobs were very much the heart of the company.

Who is now dead. Bill Gates doesn't work for MS either, and hasn't for a long time. I don't see Nokia making massive donations to charity, or Sony etc.

I am not concerned with the struggles between big companies, however Apple has been cracking down on very small companies that has no chance to fight off the legal department of apple seemingly intent on being the only ones in the world using things like apples, I and pad in their names.

IP theft is IP theft, regardless of who commits it. Sorry, that's how the system works.

Foxconn is not quite as bad as many give them out to be compared with other companies in China, just came from there and I would really not have to work there ever. However notice how this was firstly after a widespread reporting about the company. Whether apple was involved in this at this point is as such irrelevant, if you have to be exposed in the media before you start changing things you really aren't holding the moral high ground are you?

At least Apple are changing things, all the other OEMs that use Chinese factories don't. Why has it taken Apple to get something done? Sorry, save your ire for Dell etc.

Again my problem is not with the non removable batteries but with the fact that the costumers wasn't told until tree days after launch.

And again, lots of people do this.

Indeed however the cases of removing apps because they may have a slight negative opinion of apple seems less prevailing in Google.

Uh huh. All app stores are managed, deal with it.

Doesn't matter that it is junk, really what matters is that there are no way to install it. if you really want to you should be able to install a batterykillerapp on your phone if you feel like it. It again is the decision to make it impossible I have a problem with, not the one of not making it a standard. Not asking them to provide you with the alternative, but just to make it possible for you to change to it if you so wish, regardless of this alternative being a worse piece of software.

In your opinion. Again, if you're that bothered about Flash etc. on your phone, don't buy an iPhone. That's the choice you have as a consumer.

[Guinevere]

Originally Posted by Stotherd-001

Devices that recognize power users will need more power than a few hours of intensive workload do continue to have removable batteries.

Because of course there's simply no alternative to having multiple batteries (Which can normally only be charged when attached to a device).

Originally Posted by Stotherd-001

Apple removes malicious and random apps to protect the user from questioning Apple

LOL, please give an example of Apple removing a random app, and what question did it prevent Apple being asked?

Originally Posted by Stotherd-001

I enjoy the ability to play flash videos inline with my web browsing. Makes blogs, forums, and news sites much easier to read.

Sorry to LOL again but... really? There's still someone out there who prefers video through a flash plugin over video that doesn't require a plugin? HTML 5 videos can be played inline too you know! It's up to the browser developers to decide how they implement playback. Try using an iPad, it's inline video playback is impeccable, and you always get a perfectly working fullscreen option if you want it... argument fail.

All major online video platforms (youtube etc) support HTML 5 (And therefore iOS) perfectly happily. If you put your video online these days and force people to use Flash then you're stuck in the past.

But it's a shame there isn't a universal HTML 5 video format. Pity you have to have two streams!

[Tangster]

Originally Posted by Cei

IP theft is IP theft, regardless of who commits it. Sorry, that's how the system works.

Apple suing a resturaunt that happens to have apple in it's name is pretty justifiable in my opinion.

[faugusztin]

Originally Posted by Cei

IP theft is IP theft, regardless of who commits it. Sorry, that's how the system works.

If we talk about that AppleADay thing, then no, it is not IP theft. First of all, Apple is a trademark. Secondly, trademark in most legislations is valid only for the area in which the company operates. That means you can easily have trademarks at same time in same country for Apple, computer manufacturer; for Apple, farm; for Apple, restaurant; for Apple, clothing shop. But you cannot have use the Apple word for your computer shop - because Apple sells computers. You can't create a mobile operator or a phone named Apple, because Apple is in mobile business etc.

For example, unless Apple has it's registration valid for food services (restaurants) too, someone can open an "Apple" restaurant in my country without any issue.

[Guinevere]

Originally Posted by faugusztin

But that is exactly my issue. Why do i have to download a tool for a common laptop screnario, which is handled well by every other OS ?

Does it really make that big a deal? So my laptop goes to sleep when I close the lid! So what? It wakes up in a second when I need it so what's the real issue?

Your complaint seems to be based on the "This is different" element rather than a "This is a problem for me" issue.

Disclaimer: I rarely close the lid on my MBP. I use it's screen as a secondary monitor. Also unlike many PC laptops the MBP has no external fan dust vacuum. Heat is expelled through the hinge and keyboard so when working at max (EG compiling) my Mac runs cooler, quieter (100% silent) with the lid open than when closed.

A comparable spec PC laptop (I'm generalising) will be cooler to the touch because an audible fan will be active more often than on a Mac (Yes I know there are quiet PC laptops too).

[GuilleAcoustic]

[rollo]

apple microsoft ect will donate to charities we just wont here about it not all major national companies like to say what they donate or who they donate too.

bill gates for example donates billions to charities you dont here alot about it in the news. Not all billionaires wanna be famous.

html5 is the future flash is dead deal with it. Adobe has even discountinued flash thats how dead it is.

Apple is the pure evil company bullshit is funny. Its not apples fault china pays there workers £1 a day or whatever they get paid. Nike addidas dell samsung where all in china long before apple arived, Check where your trainers are made if its a major brand they are made in china. Check where your cloths are made, if they are branded again china will be where its made.

cant blame apple for all the worlds problems which seems to be the general idea of this topic.

Samsung nike addidas sony were all there before apple arived or even existed in the case of addidas and nike.

Check out where dell and sony make there computers its not in europe or usa thats for sure.

suppliers of chips are there to make a profit at the end of the day if selling 20million nand chips to apple gives them profits who are we to complain, Its not a monoply to sell all of one product to one company or person.

Intel/ microsoft / apple are all together on the pc / mac side of things they all share patents thats how apple has never sued them or been sued by them.

As others have said if you steal IP prepared to be sued for it however small you are.

[Guinevere]

Originally Posted by GuilleAcoustic

*Picture Snip*

Does this have something to do with the thread? Or is it just a random pic?

[GuilleAcoustic]

Originally Posted by Guinevere

Does this have something to do with the thread? Or is it just a random pic?

Pics of the first cell phone, in 1973. Tough it would be nice to add a little pince of humour (hate when it ends as a fight).

EDIT: It's always the same when Apple is the topic of a discution. Always go nowhere but a fight. They makes good product, as well as Google, HTC, samsung, microsoft, etc ... do. They all have pros and cons .... but they have in common that they are chasing $$$$$$$$.

Couldn't just people be happy with what they have and accept other people choice ?

[GeorgeStorm]

I'm sorry, but how on earth is appleaday IP stealing or whatever?
They are completely unrelated, I think it's both petty and wrong.

[faugusztin]

Originally Posted by Guinevere

Does it really make that big a deal? So my laptop goes to sleep when I close the lid! So what? It wakes up in a second when I need it so what's the real issue?

Considering it drops all network connections at that moment it is an issue for me. Anyway, it seems we won't reach any result from this debate, so we should stop it. I dislike how it works, you guys like it, Apple likes it, i lost, i get it.