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Old 13th Aug 2012, 10:25   #1
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Nvidia warns of continued 28nm shortages

Nvidia's Jen-Hsun Huang has warned that supply of its 28nm parts will be constrained until at least the fourth quarter.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...nm-shortages/1
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Old 13th Aug 2012, 11:38   #2
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Hmmm... Is it me or is it always nVidia complaining about its process tech? And trying to shift the blame to TSMC. Very odd.
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Old 13th Aug 2012, 13:59   #3
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Shame, guess we'd better leave prices sky high then ?

Hmmm....
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Aye, long gone are the days when a high end gfx card would set you back a mighty £210 (9800GTX on release, only four years ago). High end atm is £399's worth of GTX680. Barmy.
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Hmmm... Is it me or is it always nVidia complaining about its process tech? And trying to shift the blame to TSMC. Very odd.
Many other companies have complained about TSMC being slow. Nvidia is far from the only one.
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Old 13th Aug 2012, 17:30   #6
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TSMC has been the limiting factor on many projects for over half a decade now.
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Problem is though, UMC arn`t on the bleeding edge and GloFo are also having issues.
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Can anyone tell me why TSMC hasnt built a new facility or two by now?
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they dont need one? its the yields from the fab process thats the issue not the size of the factory
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Aye, long gone are the days when a high end gfx card would set you back a mighty £210 (9800GTX on release, only four years ago). High end atm is £399's worth of GTX680. Barmy.
Well you have to remember that outside of shrinking the die of the mighty 8800GTX/Ultra, there really weren't many fundamentally large differences between G80 and G92. It was cheaper because AMD at the time managed to at least recapture some market share with their Die shrunk RV670 (HD3870) but they were still lagging behind and the GTX280 was still in the works.

Of course the moment the released the GT200 we saw that it really did transcend G80/G92, but before that the reason for the high end being momentarily cheap was that there was no real high end at the time except for the Dual GPU 9800GX2.

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Can anyone tell me why TSMC hasnt built a new facility or two by now?
Cost efficiency. It really isnt' efficient to invest in so many tools, optics and litography if the process which is still flawed is going to be replaced soon by a smaller node. Plus those tools are extremely expensive anyhow.
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Aye, long gone are the days when a high end gfx card would set you back a mighty £210 (9800GTX on release, only four years ago). High end atm is £399's worth of GTX680. Barmy.
could have something to do with the value of your currency going down the $h|tter...

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?fr...to=USD&view=5Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?fr...to=TWD&view=5Y
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could have something to do with the value of your currency going down the $h|tter...

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?fr...to=USD&view=5Y
http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?fr...to=TWD&view=5Y
Or how about the fact that those times were anomalous? All other times the high end usually ranged at a higher 399 quid for the high end. Look at G70/RV5xx era. The NV40/RV4xx era. Look at all other instances in history and we see that the low has nothing to do with currency but rather a difference in the markets.
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Yeah I remember getting two HD3870's as soon as they were released to replace a pair of X1900's for £160-ish each, and the HD4870/4850's were not much more than that either. High end/Top end GFX cards were loads cheaper back then.
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Can anyone tell me why TSMC hasnt built a new facility or two by now?
They have. It's a $5Bn+ investment though. It seems from 40 and below, yield is just not high - especially for multi-billion transistor parts. They aren't ARM chips.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8HB4HO20120611

they`ve only just got approval to build the 450nm factory



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in 2008 the pound was over valued against world currencies and had to stabilise lower

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?fr...to=EUR&view=5Y

same trend against the euro
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Hmm
Them: PROBLEM >>>
Us: REACTION >>>
Them: SOLUTION.

Translates to.....
Them: "Were short on material's" >>>
Us: "Oh no, We had better spend, spend, spend" >>>
Them: "Why don't you buy some of these".

But really means....

Them: "We're not making enough profit to keep the stock holder's happy" >>>
Them: "Let's advertise a scarcity of materials" >>>
Them: "And make sure we get rid of this magical stock of material's at full profit".


Or they genuinely could be telling the truth
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