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Old 6th Dec 2012, 10:37   #1
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Intel denies BGA-only processor plan rumours

Swappable CPUs the norm for now, company claims.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...l-denies-bga/1
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Old 6th Dec 2012, 10:47   #2
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Looks like Charlie Demerjian was full of crap as usual.
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Factoid: Charlie is made of exquisitely painted faeces, bound together by some form of primordial goo. Bear this in mind when interpreting his "work".
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Sounds like you didn't understand the plans at all. The rumours were never 'BGA only' for Broadwell and beyond.
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Shock, horror. Conveniently controversial click generating rumour turns out to be wrong. There's a turn up for the books.
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I find it sad that AMD needed to jump on a rumour to somehow strengthen their position. They should get on with product research and delivery instead of piss poor PR.
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Given that Intel changes their socket every five minutes, would it even matter if they started welding CPUs to mobos?
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Given that Intel changes their socket every five minutes, would it even matter if they started welding CPUs to mobos?
Means I can't mix and match CPUs with mobos. If BGA CPUs hit enthusiast desktop, it would very likely end up with with 3 or so CPU/motherboards per cycle. Using current Ivy Bridge + Asus motherboard equivalents, here's what I would expect:

3570K + Z77 equivalent as the "cheap" option
3820K + sabertooth as "medium" option
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No in-betweens becomes near-impossible....
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very very PR speak , intel very cagey - as allways about the future,

broadwell is far enough away to be covered by the facet of

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'Intel remains committed to the growing desktop enthusiast and channel markets,' Intel's Daniel Snyder told the site, and will continue to offer socketed parts in the LGA package for the foreseeable future for our customers and the enthusiast DIY market.'

foreseeable future - 18 months is ` long term`. that an broadwell will be moving to MCP , making it incompatable to Haswell sockets anyway
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Not really, unless you want to be lying, foreseeable future means as far out as you've made any concrete plans. Considering Broadwell is pretty deep in to the planning stages, that is certainly within the Foreseeable future. Heck, Broadwell's successor probably could be convered under Foreseeable future as well.

Beyond that, who knows (Intel probably doesn't have any concrete plans on packing, contact count, etc much past Broadwell/Silverwell).
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very very PR speak , intel very cagey - as allways about the future,

broadwell is far enough away to be covered by the facet of

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'Intel remains committed to the growing desktop enthusiast and channel markets,' Intel's Daniel Snyder told the site, and will continue to offer socketed parts in the LGA package for the foreseeable future for our customers and the enthusiast DIY market.'

foreseeable future - 18 months is ` long term`. that an broadwell will be moving to MCP , making it incompatable to Haswell sockets anyway
I think you've hit the nail on the head, all they mean at the moment is the next cpu architecture wont be BGA (though I wouldn't be surprised if some cpu/mobo combos did turn up).
I've always liked AMD, but haven't had a CPU from them for years, as they just cant compete at the moment.I just wish AMD could find a niche, like gaming processors, or low TDP CPU's (wishful thinking I know). They can't compete atm in almost any market and them relying on intel to go BGA only will mean intel wont just to spite them.
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Intel allready supply IB server parts as BGA - its a growing market
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Intel can do what they want they hold 90% + of the current Desktop / Server CPU market, The fact is if they make a decent smartphone / tablet chip they could easily pick up apples cpu business for smartphones and tablets. ( looking at a 100mil chips a year easy) They already have distribution deals for its Macbook Range.

In 18months Intel will have chips that are capable of hitting Apples power requirements for its next products. Intel could easily offer them a better deal than what Samsung are doing at the present minute, Not sure if i was Samsung id be entirely happy with that comming to pass.

We could easily see the next big battle between Apple and Samsung been Intel on one side and Arm on the other. With Apple and Intels Resources would anyone really bet agaist them producing a chip that could blow everything away in the mobile space ( Theres already mobile cpus that are hitting insane performance figures produced by intel. They are rumored to be making a 10 watt chip this year if they get that to 5 watt ( the average smartphone cpu is 5 watts) they could snatch a tonne of business.
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They are rumored to be making a 10 watt chip this year if they get that to 5 watt ( the average smartphone cpu is 5 watts) they could snatch a tonne of business.
But by the time they've got that to five watt, ARM based processors will be at 2.5W (or twice as powerfull and still 5W), at which point Intel will begin redoveloping theirs to 2.5W...
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Intel allready supply IB server parts as BGA - its a growing market
It's probably cheaper too, configurations that are created "specifically" for a certain purpose. Plus in any case, it's to cash in on the rather lucrative server business anyhow.
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They are rumored to be making a 10 watt chip this year if they get that to 5 watt ( the average smartphone cpu is 5 watts) they could snatch a tonne of business.
But by the time they've got that to five watt, ARM based processors will be at 2.5W (or twice as powerfull and still 5W), at which point Intel will begin redoveloping theirs to 2.5W...
Indeed I think without a massive change in their business model (which might be coming up considering they seem now to be focusing more on mobile chips) Intel will almost always lag behind arm in terms of development, just as AMD play catchup to intel in the desktop market (not very well mind you), intel play catch up to arm in the mobile department.
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model a is 2.5w and model b is 3.5w - allready being done

samsung galaxy Y uses the same soc as the pi , so 2.5w is allready in use;

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Intel allready supply IB server parts as BGA - its a growing market
Not according to ark.intel.com . All current server chips I can be bothred looking up use LGA something (1155,1356,1366,1567,2011). There are a few CPUs that use BGA, but nothing on mainstream desktop/server is BGA.

EDIT: Ivy Bridge isn't in anything but the lowest-end servers and workstations.... Everyone is still using Sandy Bridge/Sandy Bridge-E on midrange/high-end servers. No idea where you get your info from....
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