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Old 21st Dec 2012, 10:41   #1
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Samsung tapes out first 14nm FinFET-based parts

Future SoCs will require far less power.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...msung-finfet/1
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 11:32   #2
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Im hoping that since GlobalFoundries is involved in this AMD will be able to jump on FinFET and 14nm production before Intel realy gets its Tri-Gate in to production as this may give AMD the boost they need to put out low power or higher performance chips
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 11:40   #3
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"Sadly, a tape-out does not a product make" should be "Sadly, a tape-out does not make a product".

Anyways, getting the chips smaller, resulting in less powerdraw is all nice and dandy, and I hope that the industry can keep their set goal of Q1 2014 for those 14nm-parts.

Unfortunately the real power-hungry parts - aka the GPUs - are still manufactured in 28nm and won't see a shrink that soon, if we believe all the chatter.

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Im hoping that since GlobalFoundries is involved in this AMD will be able to jump on FinFET and 14nm production before Intel realy gets its Tri-Gate in to production as this may give AMD the boost they need to put out low power or higher performance chips
intel - if all goes as planned - will start with their new plant in Arizona in Q3/Q4 2013. I don't think that AMD will be faster than this.
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 12:25   #4
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"lithographic processor"

process perhaps ?
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 12:28   #5
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Im hoping that since GlobalFoundries is involved in this AMD will be able to jump on FinFET and 14nm production before Intel realy gets its Tri-Gate in to production as this may give AMD the boost they need to put out low power or higher performance chips

Dafuq ?! Intel has been using "TriGate transistors" in its Ivy Bridge and will be using them in the upcoming Haswell and onwards.
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"Sadly, a tape-out does not a product make" should be "Sadly, a tape-out does not make a product".
No, it shouldn't: I wrote what I meant and I meant what I wrote.
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"lithographic processor" process perhaps ?
That, on the other hand, was a mistake. Fixed, ta!
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 15:51   #7
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Im hoping that since GlobalFoundries is involved in this AMD will be able to jump on FinFET and 14nm production before Intel realy gets its Tri-Gate in to production as this may give AMD the boost they need to put out low power or higher performance chips

Dafuq ?! Intel has been using "TriGate transistors" in its Ivy Bridge and will be using them in the upcoming Haswell and onwards.
Exactly. Intel is looking at 14nm roughly sometime in early 2014. Unless the other fabs manage some serious catch-up work, they are going to be looking at late 2014 in to 2015 before they manage that.

Other than NAND, for processor transistors most have not gotten below 28nm yet and I really doubt they are going to skip a full node. Most are looking at transitioning to 20nm sometime in 2013 (probably late 2013 or early 2014).

General cadence industry wide is about 2-2 1/2 years per processing node shrink, Intel just happens to be roughly 18-30 months ahead of most everyone else with lithographic size.
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Well a smaller process size and trigate/finfet transistor architecture didn't really work out to be "all that" for Intel in the change from Sandybridge to Ivybridge. Only gave a 27% improvement in tdp from 98w for SB and 77w for IB at the same performance level not the quoted 50% improvement and that was not just due to the finfet design but also include a shrink to 22nm.
IB's thermals are poor...I don't think Intel have either their 22nm process or trigate design right yet.
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14nm is at least a year away from intel more like 2 from anyone else.

Taped out does not mean its ready to go into full scale production, intel already has a working 14nm chip, will take at least 2 years from tapes out to full scale.

AMD can't just switch from tmsc they have long term contracts.
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Ah OK. Not a native speaker so it looked awkward to me
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No, it shouldn't: I wrote what I meant and I meant what I wrote.
Ah OK. Not a native speaker so it looked awkward to me
You are quite right that it does look weird, so it is good that you can spot things like that, but it is actually a semi-commonly used phrase.It's just bad luck on your part this time.
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