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Old 21st Jan 2013, 23:54   #21
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http://hardocp.com/article/2012/08/2..._670_hd_7950/1

and that was on 12.8, 12.11 improved performance further

the 7950 is cheaper than the 670 and it comes with four games, no brainer imo

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Reading that HOCP review makes my eyes hurt terribly. I wish they had a better colour scheme. It's tempted me towards a 7950, maybe with a waterblock. Just wished more render programs supported OCL as well as CUDA.
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Old 21st Jan 2013, 23:59   #22
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It's not exactly easy on the eye, is it? I'm considering putting a block on my 7950 - I've been really pleased with the card so far.
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I like HOCP's site colors. Black backgrounds are great. That said, my vote is cast on the 7950 if you're getting one new.
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and that was on 12.8, 12.11 improved performance further

the 7950 is cheaper than the 670 and it comes with four games, no brainer imo
That's an impressive showing for the 7950, but the overclock on that ASUS 670 Direct CU II is piss poor - 1094 Base clock and 6.34GHz memory is crap. My reference 670 will do 1094 core with 7.4GHz on the memory - those max clocks on a factory OC'd card are a joke.

I wouldn't hang everything on that comparison.

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It makes a decent fist of things at 1080p in some of the games - albeit a factory overclocked card against a stock reference 670 - but nowhere near as impressive. At 1600p it doesn't match up.

The 7950 is still a nice card for the money though.

HardOCP's reviews are sh!te - any review that requires a slide rule and ready reckoner to decipher the results is full of fail.
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so would you agree that the 7950 and gtx 670 perform at least similarly?

if the 7950 is 50 cheaper and comes with 4 games why would you get a 670?
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so would you agree that the 7950 and gtx 670 perform at least similarly?

if the 7950 is 50 cheaper and comes with 4 games why would you get a 670?
I would agree that, with the improvements to drivers, the Boosted 7950s perform close to the basic 670 at 1080p; and that the price gap is ridiculous. There certainly is a case for reducing the price of the 670, especially as it's the only one in that group whose price has remained firm.

I would still be looking at either the 670 or the 7970 if I was in the market right now, but only because the 7950 doesn't compete at 1600p - at 1080, there's no reason not to buy the 7950.
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The 7950 is the best bang for buck

I was going for one myself before Xmas but their seemed to be a shortage of the MSI twin frozr flavour (like my rig silent as pos)
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Who knows what the next set of drivers will bring from either team. Personally I'd expect the Nvidias to still have some improvements - they were released what 5 months after the AMDs. But either way either card will be fine.

Me, I'd go with the Nvidias. Why, well I couldn't see what games came with the Novatech card. Scan show 3 games Hitman, FC3 and Sleeping Dogs, and the Nvidias came with AC3 and some with Borderlands 2 too. But I have no preference with any of those games. But I play Planetside 2, and from what I remember it has the option to unload some physics to Nvidia cards, hopefully improving it's rather random performance. Also BTs review showed the Nvidia using less power. Save the planet and all that.
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That's an impressive showing for the 7950, but the overclock on that ASUS 670 Direct CU II is piss poor - 1094 Base clock and 6.34GHz memory is crap. My reference 670 will do 1094 core with 7.4GHz on the memory - those max clocks on a factory OC'd card are a joke.

I wouldn't hang everything on that comparison.


It makes a decent fist of things at 1080p in some of the games - albeit a factory overclocked card against a stock reference 670 - but nowhere near as impressive. At 1600p it doesn't match up.

The 7950 is still a nice card for the money though.

HardOCP's reviews are sh!te - any review that requires a slide rule and ready reckoner to decipher the results is full of fail.
My thoughts exactly, it wasn't a totally fair/balanced comparison, and it rarely is with OC'd cards, which is why I find reference speeds more useful.

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so would you agree that the 7950 and gtx 670 perform at least similarly?

if the 7950 is 50 cheaper and comes with 4 games why would you get a 670?
The GTX 670 is a faster card, but you're absolutely right, the 7950 has a better price/performance ratio. If you're after value then yes, excellent card. If, however, you want a particular performance point (i.e.: 1440/1600p) then price be damned.
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If you're keen on the green team, then I'd vote 670, as TG says, good oc headroom. But, I'd personally go for a 7950 'cos they're (with the state of current drivers), quicker than both in my experience.
And there is 13.2 beta catalyst drivers out this week apparently that remedy the only problem areas they come with.

But tbh, if I had the money to blow... I'd get a 670 gtx
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670 is faster, if you overclock it, its faster than a stock 680 come to think of it.

7950 is best bang for buck card but i personally would not buy it.

if your gaming at 1080p either card is overkill.

New gen may reduce the 670 price towards 250 dout it will go below that unless AMD can release all the cards at once ( unlikely as tsmc still has supply issues)
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Slightly OT:

I bought my MSI GTX670 OC in August for less than I can find a reference card for thesedays? Wut. They were always out of stock back then too... *confused*
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@cei

look at the links i posted on the previous page and tell me that the 670 is faster than the 7950 pls

if you can't read their graphs.. then i have no words

and the 7950 ocs better than the 670

and it has more vram

and it's cheaper

and it performs at worst equally, at best a little better

as for the argument that OP should just buy the 'best card overall' even though the 7950 'might' be better for the money, note that OP is comparing the 670's value to the 660ti in his original question... if he's looking for value in that price range, then the 7950 is the superior card anyway
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look at the links i posted on the previous page and tell me that the 670 is faster than the 7950 pls

if you can't read their graphs.. then i have no words

and the 7950 ocs better than the 670

and it has more vram

and it's cheaper

and it performs at worst equally, at best a little better

as for the argument that OP should just buy the 'best card overall' even though the 7950 'might' be better for the money, note that OP is comparing the 670's value to the 660ti in his original question... if he's looking for value in that price range, then the 7950 is the superior card anyway
It's worth noting that only a few of those graphs are 'apples to apples' i.e. same resolution and detail settings, and that the first and second reviews differ widely in both the specification of the cards tested and results achieved.
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Can't really compare an overclocked 7950 vs a stock 670.

If the 7950 Is faster than a 670 then its faster than a 680 which it isn't as you can easily overclock the 670 to be as fast as a stock 680.

This is kinda why you should compare reference cards.

I've seen 660tis come close to 670 performance levels running high overclocks. And using some crazy power consumption to do it.

670 660ti 7950 niether card will let you down in the long term.

7950 weakness as your review shows is the heat noise and power consumption its using to get that performance

670 at stock which is what the review uses , is using less power, is quieter and is not an oven to boot.
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than a STOCK 680, that's the bit you left out
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I've seen tests of overclocked 7950s getting blitzed by stock 680s in bf3 for example farcry3 is another. I've also seen tests where it beats 680s. But I don't trust either review site(hardop,techreviews)

Not many review sites ever bother to rereview cards with newer drivers though. Very few tests are at the same resolution in the same game. Maybe bit tech could do it as a feature but not seen any of the 3 major sites that I'd trust run any numbers.( anandtech bit tech or hardwarereviews)

Not really trust many other sites. Too many sites you never know if they are been paid to run the tests. If people on this forum ran the tests instead if more trust them than some of the listed review sites.

People on here own 680s 670s 7950s pretty certain if people asked around it could be arranged.
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If not for that fact (price and warranty) I'd probably not have gotten a 670 since the price is still too high. Hell, you could even get a stock 680 for less than what some oc'ed 670s go for.
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