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Ouya console to get annual successors

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Of course there will be new versions. They'll have to keep updating hardware to ensure a steady supply of chips, let alone to keep the hobbyists interested and away from rival systems.
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Still don't understand who's interested in playing games on a device like that. Additionally, the consoles are not the expensive part of playing games... the games themselves at $50 a pop are.
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the games themselves at $50 a pop are.
This is my reason right there. That, and the fact that Ouya is android based (which means emulators support, for example) and supposedly easy to root.
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Still don't understand who's interested in playing games on a device like that. Additionally, the consoles are not the expensive part of playing games... the games themselves at $50 a pop are.
What makes you think the games are $50 a pop. Evidence please.
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Additional controllers are $49.99... Games will be free-to-try from which you can then pay to unlock full versions or buy premium upgrades like most iOS titles these days.
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I'm more interested in using one of these as a low-powered desktop/net-top type device. The problem with that though is one faced by all (or most) ARM-based SBC computers: graphics driver support...

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What makes you think the games are $50 a pop. Evidence please.
I think he meant traditional console games; i.e. Devil May Cry, released around 3 weeks ago, is currently sitting at $58 on Amazon. And people wonder why I don't use my xbox any more...
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To be blunt its already out of date.

The gpu on tegra 3 is 2 years + now will be more by the time its released. There is cheap tablets with better specs.( that are on andriod)

Theres games already out for andriod that struggle to run on anything but the latest and greatest tablet from the andriod platform. This will have lower hardware so will struggle even more.

Still think they will struggle to gain much support from developers, Without support will that controller even work?

A company made an Ipad controller a few years back and its supported so few games it quickly disapeared from the market place. It was a major pain to code for was the official reason behind it. Most of the cheapo games work best under touch, Angry birds with a controller would be difficult.

Most of the driving games would benifit from a controller.

Games will likely range from minimum price to whatever they want.

On ios the price range is 69pence( angry birds ect) to i think £11.99 is what final fantasy 4 costs. ( basically the psp version of the game also includes the redone FMWs.)Major difference in quality between the titles though.

FF4 will last you 100 hrs. Angry birds will last you a few hrs at best.

I assume if major developers release games for it they will be charged at a higher price than the next tower defence or angry bird clones.
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To be blunt its already out of date.

The gpu on tegra 3 is 2 years + now will be more by the time its released. There is cheap tablets with better specs.( that are on andriod)

Theres games already out for andriod that struggle to run on anything but the latest and greatest tablet from the andriod platform. This will have lower hardware so will struggle even more.
Going to have to go ahead and disagree with you there. Sure if you're looking at the latest and greatest stuff to be released, then yeah you can call it out of date (although there's no word yet on when Tegra 4 will make it into a commercial product, IIRC). But the Tegra 3 is no slouch; my One X phone runs a Tegra 3 clocked at a slightly lower speed than the Ouya (1.5Ghz compared to 1.6Ghz) and I've yet to see anything that it won't run. I downloaded Epic Citadel recently and was utterly stunned with the quality of the graphics; it was honestly better than some PC games I've seen in the last 5/6 years. I don't know how well that would scale up to a full-size TV (say, >32"), but the One X is already rendering at 720p. And that's just the 3D performance.
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What makes you think the games are $50 a pop. Evidence please.
Games currently released (PC/PS3/Xbox360) is what I ment. If these were sold for $24.99 a pop at release then there would be much more interest in traditional consoles or PC-games.

Look at all the higher quality games released for the tablets. They're usually dirt-cheap < $10 and basically just as fun to play like all the titles currently released for PC/consoles.
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For the people who are saying that the Tegra 3 is going to suck - yes, it isn't bleeding edge for cellphone/tablet tech, but it still top tier for last generation. Also, they fail to recognize the fact it can be better utilized than in a phone tablet for a couple obvious reasons:
1) tethered power - they don't need to clock it down because it has a dedicated power source; this is done by phones/tablets to extend runtime but it isn't needed for Ouya.
2) Not a phone/tablet - Of course, a lot of tablets are not 3G-enabled and just use wifi, but compared to phones it doesn't need services like the dial, address book, etc taking resources. It will give incremental improvements that could be the difference between playable frame-rate and stuttering.
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1) tethered power - they don't need to clock it down because it has a dedicated power source; this is done by phones/tablets to extend runtime but it isn't needed for Ouya.
True, but - as proven above - that has resulted in a chip running at 1.6GHz instead of 1.5GHz in a currently-available phone. That's a mere 6.6 per cent faster, which is hardly going to take the Tegra 3 to previously unheard-of levels of performance.
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2) Not a phone/tablet - Of course, a lot of tablets are not 3G-enabled and just use wifi, but compared to phones it doesn't need services like the dial, address book, etc taking resources. It will give incremental improvements that could be the difference between playable frame-rate and stuttering.
Have you ever tried to get Android to stop thinking it's on a phone? Not easy. I can pretty much guarantee that services like the dialler will be running in the background on the Ouya, but hidden from view. Okay, so it won't be having to do network handshaking and the like - but that's what the Tegra 3's fifth 'companion core' is for. Without those kind of background tasks to handle, the companion core is going to sit there completely unused.
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The GPU in tegra 3 already does not do the work that you mensioned malfrex.

GPU is the single biggest drawback of the tegra 3 platform as its just not good enough its bearly comparable to the ipad 2 for performance.

Asus transformer prime was one of the last major releases using the tegra 3 gpu. They tested it versus the ipad 2 and ipad3 when it was released.

In grand theft auto 3 the only major developed game on both platforms at the time it was unplayable on the transformer prime unless you reduced the settings. ( you could change settings on andriod) 40% draw distance and 40% resolution was how low they had to go to get it to work at playable fps.

HTC one X USA version uses a 1.5 GHz Dual Core Qualcomm Snapdragon last i checked, using an adreno 225 gpu, this is not tegra3.
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Still don't understand who's interested in playing games on a device like that. Additionally, the consoles are not the expensive part of playing games... the games themselves at $50 a pop are.
I am, but I won't settle for Tegra 3 in 2013. I want Tegra 4 (or something similar from Snapdragon/Exynos lineup).

I'm not as much interested in [Android] games as I am in the prospect of having SILENT computer that is OPEN (so no blocking of "other OSes" by the manufacturer), runs normal desktop OS (I expect few Linux distributions running on Ouya soon after its launch) in a SMALL package, plugs into monitor or TV plus it costs less than $100.
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Transformer Prime = Dec 2011
Nexus 7 = June 2012

Granted the Nexus 7 isn't any more powerful than the Transformer Prime, but I'd argue that the Nexus 7 was a more significant/major piece of hardware than the Transformer Prime.

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HTC one X USA version uses a 1.5 GHz Dual Core Qualcomm Snapdragon last i checked, using an adreno 225 gpu, this is not tegra3.
Looks like a Tegra to me...



The one you're thinking of is the LTE variant; all other models - including non-LTE US models, AFAIK - use the quad-core Tegra 3.

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This is exactly what I want out of it... The trouble is, I tend to agree on Tegra 3 vs. Tegra 4, and the reason for that isn't necessarily the faster speed, architecture revisions, etc; it's the fact that Tegra 4 supports full-fat OpenGL, rather than just OpenGL ES.
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Games currently released (PC/PS3/Xbox360) is what I ment. If these were sold for $24.99 a pop at release then there would be much more interest in traditional consoles or PC-games
Correct, it's what keeps me from buying a console.
PC games may start this high (but they rarely do) but they go down after a year or so, not console games, heck even the oldest LEGO games cost a fortune on consoles
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PC games may start this high (but they rarely do) but they go down after a year or so, not console games, heck even the oldest LEGO games cost a fortune on consoles
Eh? I usually wait for a console game to drop to £15 - or £10 if I'm not sure I'll like it - before taking the plunge. It rarely takes as much as a year. ShopTo will, for example, happily sell me Mass Effect 3 for the Xbox 360 for £16.85 - which is actually *cheaper* than the boxed PC version at £17.86. Although, I'll grant you, that price is higher than average: Amazon has the PC version for £9.99, while charging £17 including delivery for the Xbox 360 version.

So, it's taken less than a year for Mass Effect 3 to drop from its purported £49.99 RRP on consoles - a price you'll likely never see unless you frequently buy release-day games from Asda or the like - to under £17. Sure, the PC version can be had for under £10 - but I still wouldn't call £17 a 'fortune.'

As for the Lego games? Lego Batman PS3, £11.99. Sure, that's about double the cost of the PC version, but it's still only twelve quid - and the Lego games tend to hold their value more than most on consoles, as young kids don't really care about the latest and greatest but just want to see their heroes on-screen and they tend to play on console rather than PC.

Grand Theft Auto IV, released in 2008 just like Lego Batman, tells a different story: the PC version costs £13.16, while the PS3 version costs £14.77 - only £1.61 more expensive.

Are console games more expensive than PC games? Indubitably, thanks largely to publishers having to pay a licensing fee to the console manufacturers that is absent on PC releases. Do they "cost a fortune?" Hardly.
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if you head into Asda or Tesco for major release titles you can save a fortune on the games you buy.

We do our weekly shop at either so if i ever want a major title on release can get them for £25 ( you have to spend so much in the shop to get that price usaully)
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Do they "cost a fortune?" Hardly.
You're right, not a fortune.
I get 2-3 PC games for one (equal) WII game here in Germany.
Shopto.net is (sometimes) a bit cheaper, but not always.

Got great deals via shopto.net on the raving rabbits partygames, but the lego ones and Zelda aren't coming down, most are ~25-30€ while their PC versions are 10€
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