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Old 21st Mar 2013, 10:05   #1
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Corsair unveils Vengeance K70

Upgrades the K60 with new backlighting.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...engeance-k70/1
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Old 21st Mar 2013, 10:11   #2
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If the UK version does retail at 86, i'd be very tempted to buy, i've been after a replacement mechanical keyboard for a while and one with backlighting at a good price has been really difficult to find so far.
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If the UK version does retail at 86, i'd be very tempted to buy, i've been after a replacement mechanical keyboard for a while and one with backlighting at a good price has been really difficult to find so far.
Not a chance in heck of that happening, I'm afraid. There's VAT to take into account, which immediately turns that 86 into 103.20 - then there's import tax and all the rest of the awkwardness that comes of selling things into the UK from outside. I reckon you'll be looking at 99.99 if Corsair is feeling generous, 109.99 if it isn't.
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Bit pricey for me I'm afraid. And I want it in black and blue!
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As a K60 user, I won't upgrade until every key is mechanical... having rubber domes for ESC and the other keys is just irritating.

I also quite like the silver alu compared to the black.
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Mankz, the K70 is fully mechanical - every key is Cherry MX Red. Same is true of K95.
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This looks interesting but will have to see how it feels, as no doubt Scan will have some on display at some point so will have to try it out 1st.
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Bit pricey for me I'm afraid. And I want it in black and blue!
This for me too.
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As a K60 user, I won't upgrade until every key is mechanical... having rubber domes for ESC and the other keys is just irritating.
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Another change is the move to using Cherry MX Red switches beneath every major key, resolving one of the biggest issues we had with the Vengeance K60 and its use of membrane keys for the Escape, function and page navigation keys.
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I also quite like the silver alu compared to the black.
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the silver-finish keyboard uses blue backlighting, while the black-finish version uses red.
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Are RGB LED's really that much more expensive? Given the premium nature of this keyboard I am sure that anyone thinking of buying it would consider paying a little more and would gives others the options they require when it comes to the colour of the backlighting...
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Are RGB LED's really that much more expensive?
They're between three and ten times the cost, and require three times the logic to drive (one IO line for red, green and blue, compared to just the one for a single-colour LED). Given that a 110-key keyboard with individual backlighting on each key would need 110 LEDs, that's a not-inconsiderable cost.

As an example: surface-mount red LED, 4.4p each; surface-mount RGB LED, 34p each.
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Actually, if they can achieve this for 110 and the build quality is on target it will be quite an attractive board for gamers I think.

It'll certainly make the Duchy Shine 2 look like poor value for money. I'm enjoying sitting back and watching the big peripheral manufacturers get their teeth into the mechanical keyboard revolution

I sold my Shine 2 as I was not really doing it justice with my limited gaming time, but per-key backlighting is definitely useful for dark sessions, even if it is just to highlight the quicksave/quickload keys
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Are RGB LED's really that much more expensive?
They're between three and ten times the cost, and require three times the logic to drive (one IO line for red, green and blue, compared to just the one for a single-colour LED). Given that a 110-key keyboard with individual backlighting on each key would need 110 LEDs, that's a not-inconsiderable cost.

As an example: surface-mount red LED, 4.4p each; surface-mount RGB LED, 34p each.
OK, that is fair enough and I understand the higher costs, but there is no way Corsair would be paying those costs as they would be getting them direct and in bulk. I still think they cold have done it on a premium board such as this even if it raised the price by 20-30.
I think there is a definite gap in the market for a FULLY customisable board but we keep getting 'almost there' boards.
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OK, that is fair enough and I understand the higher costs, but there is no way Corsair would be paying those costs as they would be getting them direct and in bulk.
Economies of scale don't help when the differential doesn't change. If you reduce the cost of the components by half in a bulk order, the RGB LEDs are *still* nearly ten times the cost of the single-colour LEDs - and that's ignoring the requirement to have 330 PWM control lines to light 'em up instead of 110.
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Someone will eventually offer RGB backlit mechs, but there is still a much bigger market for membrane boards which cost a lot less and are much easier to backlight, as evidenced by Saitek, Razer and TT to name a few.
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I saw this and the new K95 but decided with the k90 as I like the spare keys and the finish of the k90
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Unless either RGB led can be designed to have only 2 leads, or Cherry redesigns the MX switch to house led with more than 2 leads, RGB led on MX is not going to happen.
It is possible to have 2 color led with polarity reversal and some of these are available now.
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