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Old 29th Mar 2013, 16:14   #1
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Next generation mobile processors will outperform PS3 and Xbox 360

Nvidia's Tony Tamasi tells us how Tegra 5 equivalents will be faster than current games consoles.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...xbox-360-ps3/1
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Or to put it another way, future mobile processors faster than 7 year old tech. O_o
In other news, Monday follows Sunday.

On a serious note, I find it amazing looking at today's tech and comparing it to just a few years ago. It's especially evident in the mobile and tablet market.
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I think it'd be pretty awesome if Xbox360 and PS3 hardware were completely revised to fit as a handheld device, kinda like PSP but bigger (so it can cool off properly and so you can fit a disc reader). I don't see why this couldn't be done.
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Razer Edge mobile gaming tablet... http://www.anandtech.com/show/6858/t...er-edge-review

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Games don't take advantage of what's on offer in the latest iPad( the fastest mobile Gpu is in there at the moment) so I can't see them taking advantage of something even faster.

Come to think about it games are made to the lowest specs to hit consoles as they are the biggest sellers.

Space and battery constraints aside sounds awesome.

In the real world power consumption matters, and the storage space on a tablet means we will never get full release games no matter how doable it maybe.
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It is really exciting to see the improvements in mobile tech, and the desktop stuff especially. But when will Apple innovate iOS away from pages of icons and into something that makes use of all that sexy power? On a downer with Apple regarding their lack of releasing anything genuinely fantastic since 2007. Can see me ditching Apple this year for new phone and tablet, non-Apple branded.

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The Razer thing is interesting but I just can't get my head away from Razer selling these:



... and I think, these:



I know, strange thought maybe. But check out the photo section of the Razer FB page and the two guys wearing these headphones. Then think of the deely boppers ...

Maybe the Razer tablet will be amazing, with Steam etc loaded on. 'Xcom: Enemy Unknown' is being pushed to tablet so maybe I'll buy it through Steam like the desktop version - and play on Razer's tablet, or someone elses.

Getting bored of desperately hunting in the Apple app store for anything worth downloading, and pretty much most of my DL's are now word of mouth from friends or reviewers recommendations. The search functions completely fail me in the app store. Apple have so much cash, and no real designers working their asses off making my life easier.
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Surely there's more sense in keeping mobile hardware low power and relying on these super fast 4G networks to stream high quality games (like OnLive)... Or are network providers just expecting us to use all that juicy new bandwidth to stream HD porn?

Every time i've upgraded my phone in the last 5-6 years i've suffered a hit to battery life, for a massive increase in power that rarely (if at all) gets used. Why on earth would anyone want the power of a PS3 in their pocket? I don't know a single person who is serious enough about mobile gaming to need that kind of power, that market must be hilariously small, but almost everyone I know complains about battery life.

I say stop trying to cram in more gflops every 6 months and let us use the mobile network when we NEED or WANT more pretty graphics.
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Surely there's more sense in keeping mobile hardware low power and relying on these super fast 4G networks to stream high quality games (like OnLive)... Or are network providers just expecting us to use all that juicy new bandwidth to stream HD porn?

Every time i've upgraded my phone in the last 5-6 years i've suffered a hit to battery life, for a massive increase in power that rarely (if at all) gets used. Why on earth would anyone want the power of a PS3 in their pocket? I don't know a single person who is serious enough about mobile gaming to need that kind of power, that market must be hilariously small, but almost everyone I know complains about battery life.

I say stop trying to cram in more gflops every 6 months and let us use the mobile network when we NEED or WANT more pretty graphics.
I could not agree more. I consider myself a gamer, but phone gaming just isn't worth the same time investment as PC or console gaming. Either from the game makers or the game player.

I'd far rather battery life and storage capacity were the focus of exponential growth than processing and graphical power.
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the Adreno 320 is an AMD design....


does remind me - how does the vita match up to the ipad 3? since gpu wise they are effectively using the same set up
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does remind me - how does the vita match up to the ipad 3? since gpu wise they are effectively using the same set up
I would gather that the Vita is most likely slightly faster. If only because it doesn't have the power constraints an Ipad 3 does.
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Ps vita has the + version runs slightly slower I'd guess performs close enough.

Last I checked the iPad has the bigger battery though.
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I think it'd be pretty awesome if Xbox360 and PS3 hardware were completely revised to fit as a handheld device, kinda like PSP but bigger (so it can cool off properly and so you can fit a disc reader). I don't see why this couldn't be done.
Just because you can get that kind of power out of a mobile device doesn't mean you can get that specific hardware in a mobile power envelope. PowerPC just isn't a very low-power design.

As much as I LIKE the idea of another TurboExpress or Sega Nomad, I can't honestly say it's a good idea.
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Just because you can get that kind of power out of a mobile device doesn't mean you can get that specific hardware in a mobile power envelope. PowerPC just isn't a very low-power design.

As much as I LIKE the idea of another TurboExpress or Sega Nomad, I can't honestly say it's a good idea.
You could get equivalent theoretical performance though. It's definitively possible given that the node shrinks have basically made the old PPC stuff and the GPUs rather tiny and simplistic in comparison to what's come out.

In terms of raw coding performance though, it's much harder to compare because the old PPC CPU architectures tended to be rather different anyhow.
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Power maybe the primary concern today, but tomorrow ?
I think we will see a nuclear-battery at some point in the future, so portable power maybe a thing of the past.
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Ps vita has the + version runs slightly slower I'd guess performs close enough.

Last I checked the iPad has the bigger battery though.
ipad would need it for the screen, vita doesn't need to drive so many pixels or such a backlight

Don't think it really matters what the phones or tablet space comes with power wise, most won't be able to hold a candle to the experience an old xperia Play gives you generally for gaming ... buttons .... its old school but it works

We need some better pocketable devices that aren't just big screens, the low profiles they can pack this tech into now its really about time Sony brought out a Play 2 with Vita hardware, shield doesn't look like the answer.
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Buttons... exactly. One of the biggest turn offs of mobile gaming for me has always been a lack of hardware controls. Yes there are some games that suit touch, but even with the best visuals in the world I'm just not turned on by games which are impossible to play without Korean levels of commitment to learning the controls.
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Just because you can get that kind of power out of a mobile device doesn't mean you can get that specific hardware in a mobile power envelope. PowerPC just isn't a very low-power design.

As much as I LIKE the idea of another TurboExpress or Sega Nomad, I can't honestly say it's a good idea.
You could get equivalent theoretical performance though. It's definitively possible given that the node shrinks have basically made the old PPC stuff and the GPUs rather tiny and simplistic in comparison to what's come out.

In terms of raw coding performance though, it's much harder to compare because the old PPC CPU architectures tended to be rather different anyhow.
No argument there. Just saying that the exact hardware won't scale well, so a PS3 IN MY PANTS wasn't likely to happen. I mean, MS and Sony HAVE been taking advantage of the improvements in technology. A new XBox 360 has a power brick rated for something like 90 watts instead of the original 203. It's a big difference, but it's not really pocket power.
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Just because you can get that kind of power out of a mobile device doesn't mean you can get that specific hardware in a mobile power envelope. PowerPC just isn't a very low-power design.

As much as I LIKE the idea of another TurboExpress or Sega Nomad, I can't honestly say it's a good idea.
You could get equivalent theoretical performance though. It's definitively possible given that the node shrinks have basically made the old PPC stuff and the GPUs rather tiny and simplistic in comparison to what's come out.

In terms of raw coding performance though, it's much harder to compare because the old PPC CPU architectures tended to be rather different anyhow.
No argument there. Just saying that the exact hardware won't scale well, so a PS3 IN MY PANTS wasn't likely to happen. I mean, MS and Sony HAVE been taking advantage of the improvements in technology. A new XBox 360 has a power brick rated for something like 90 watts instead of the original 203. It's a big difference, but it's not really pocket power.
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With what someone said about battery life. Thing is, I think there's quite a few phones out there which actually have quite good battery life while being pretty quick now. The problem is they're low-mid range phones and the rest of the hardware isn't up to scratch.

I'm quite fond of my 1280x768 IPS screen & awesome camera, the processor is unnecessary but well...don't have much choice to keep those other things!

It's nice and all for mobile to be as fast as the PS3/360, but no developer is going to bother putting that much effort into developing a 69 pence mobile game so it doesn't really matter... Ability to stream games from my desktop over wireless would be much more attractive (Like shield).
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Battery life will always be the problem for mobile technology till the current batterys that are in use are replaced with something that is more long life.

tegra 5 is what 3 years away ? Before it goes in a consumer product. Will it really matter in 2015-2016 if tegra 5 is faster than a 10 year old games console.

Would be more concerned if i was nvidia on picking up some actual buyers for its tegra 4 hardware which has been ignored for the SG4 ( the only phone it could really go into as its the only one with the sales numbers to counter the cost) None of the other phone manufactures can realistically use it and counter the high cost that it is.

Simply because the high end andriod market has become so one sided in recent years that manufactures are not prepared to take the risk.

Nvidia have alot of work to convince Mobile Manufactures that tegra in general has a place outside of a tablet, If they can not they may have a product that is too expensive for manufactures who are fighting the race to the bottom.

Profits in tablet sector basically resolve around an Ipad and little else has made any money. The next 2 biggest sellers are sold at cost or loss as the case is in one of them. ( Kindle and nexus)

The cheap tablets are never going to be the market for tegra so who is it going to go into.

The next gen surface RT if it ever sees light of day would be a guess.
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