bit-tech.net

Go Back   bit-tech.net Forums > bit-tech.net > Article Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 19th Apr 2013, 10:56   #1
Gareth Halfacree
WIIGII!
bit-tech Staff
 
Gareth Halfacree's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bradford, UK
Posts: 7,030
Gareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming Saiyan
Asus RoG RAIDR Express SSD specs leak

RAID 0 PCI Express board for gamers incoming.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...us-rog-raidr/1
__________________
Author, Raspberry Pi User Guide Third Edition, 21 Brilliant Projects for the Raspberry Pi and more | gareth.halfacree.co.uk | twitter | keybase.io
bit-tech news correspondent, Custom PC columnist, other things to other people
I'm a filthy freelancer! Hire me!
Gareth Halfacree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 11:23   #2
Spreadie
RIP Tel
 
Spreadie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: an island in the south
Posts: 10,559
Spreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming Saiyan
It'll be interesting to see the pricing for this.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree View Post
The device will also come with Asus' RoG HybriDisk, which allows the SSD to act as cache for a larger-capacity spinning-rust storage device
Loving the comment, but Hybridisk seems at odds with the idea of an uber-fast SSD RAID array, don't you think?
__________________
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!

Main rig - 6700K|Z170i Pro|16GB|m.2 256GB NMVe|GTX 970|3007WFP-HC|Hadron Air
Server - Proliant Gen8 Microserver|i5-2390T|12GB|6TB
Spreadie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 11:25   #3
Gareth Halfacree
WIIGII!
bit-tech Staff
 
Gareth Halfacree's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bradford, UK
Posts: 7,030
Gareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming Saiyan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie View Post
Loving the comment, but Hybridisk seems at odds with the idea of an uber-fast SSD RAID array, don't you think?
Does it? I rather like the idea of having a single logical drive with 2TB of storage, 240GB of which loads at 830MB/s (and a few gig of which loads considerably faster from the RAM drive.) Means I wouldn't have to shuffle files to and from the SSD as I finish one game and start another...
__________________
Author, Raspberry Pi User Guide Third Edition, 21 Brilliant Projects for the Raspberry Pi and more | gareth.halfacree.co.uk | twitter | keybase.io
bit-tech news correspondent, Custom PC columnist, other things to other people
I'm a filthy freelancer! Hire me!
Gareth Halfacree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 11:33   #4
Spreadie
RIP Tel
 
Spreadie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: an island in the south
Posts: 10,559
Spreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming SaiyanSpreadie is a Super Spamming Saiyan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree View Post
Does it? I rather like the idea of having a single logical drive with 2TB of storage, 240GB of which loads at 830MB/s (and a few gig of which loads considerably faster from the RAM drive.) Means I wouldn't have to shuffle files to and from the SSD as I finish one game and start another...
This RAIDR SSD is marketed to the gamer from a performance standpoint, but HDD caching is traditionally a cost saving measure though, isn't it? Similar to Intel's Smart Response tech - allowing the user the benefit of mass storage that's quicker than a standard HDD, but without the very high cost of a large SSD.

That's why it seems odd to push Hybridisk as a feature.
__________________
Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes; after that, who cares?! He's a mile away and you've got his shoes!

Main rig - 6700K|Z170i Pro|16GB|m.2 256GB NMVe|GTX 970|3007WFP-HC|Hadron Air
Server - Proliant Gen8 Microserver|i5-2390T|12GB|6TB
Spreadie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 11:36   #5
Gareth Halfacree
WIIGII!
bit-tech Staff
 
Gareth Halfacree's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bradford, UK
Posts: 7,030
Gareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming Saiyan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spreadie View Post
This RAIDR SSD is marketed to the gamer from a performance standpoint, but HDD caching is traditionally a cost saving measure though, isn't it? Similar to Intel's Smart Response tech - allowing the user the benefit of mass storage that's quicker than a standard HDD, but without the very high cost of a large SSD. That's why it seems odd to push Hybridisk as a feature.
But it's a cost-saving feature here, too: a 2TB PCIe SSD is going to cost vastly more than the 240GB RAIDR Express and a 2TB ferrous-oxide drive. If you need 2TB of high-speed storage but can't afford a 2TB PCIe SSD, Asus is offering the RAIDR with HybriDisk. Buyers don't have to use it: those who prefer to have a separate logical drive, or who only need 240GB of storage in total, can shuffle their files betwix the two by hand.

It's not the focus of Asus' marketing push for the RAIDR, just an additional feature that will help buyers swallow the pricetag.
__________________
Author, Raspberry Pi User Guide Third Edition, 21 Brilliant Projects for the Raspberry Pi and more | gareth.halfacree.co.uk | twitter | keybase.io
bit-tech news correspondent, Custom PC columnist, other things to other people
I'm a filthy freelancer! Hire me!
Gareth Halfacree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 11:53   #6
andrew8200m
Mod Master
 
andrew8200m's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: in a hole XD
Posts: 2,072
andrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyan
OCZ RevoDrive 3..

Same controllers, different NAND, slower speeds on paper, likely similar performance.

Late to the show mucn :/
__________________
Systems with parts from various manfacturers
andrew8200m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 11:57   #7
Gareth Halfacree
WIIGII!
bit-tech Staff
 
Gareth Halfacree's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bradford, UK
Posts: 7,030
Gareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming SaiyanGareth Halfacree is a Super Spamming Saiyan
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew8200m View Post
OCZ RevoDrive 3..
The big difference between the RAIDR and the RevoDrive family is in support: the RevoDrive 3 requires a special driver be loaded, while the RAIDR shows up as a standard AHCI device. You also used to be unable to use the RevoDrive as a Windows 7 x64 boot device, as the driver wasn't WHQL signed - although I don't know if that's changed.

Plus, they're aimed at two very different markets: the RevoDrive is a workstation card, and priced accordingly, whereas the RAIDR is an enthusiast card - meaning that, while it'll be expensive, it should be priced lower than the RevoDrive.
__________________
Author, Raspberry Pi User Guide Third Edition, 21 Brilliant Projects for the Raspberry Pi and more | gareth.halfacree.co.uk | twitter | keybase.io
bit-tech news correspondent, Custom PC columnist, other things to other people
I'm a filthy freelancer! Hire me!
Gareth Halfacree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 12:13   #8
andrew8200m
Mod Master
 
andrew8200m's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: in a hole XD
Posts: 2,072
andrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyanandrew8200m is a Super Spamming Saiyan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth Halfacree View Post
The big difference between the RAIDR and the RevoDrive family is in support: the RevoDrive 3 requires a special driver be loaded, while the RAIDR shows up as a standard AHCI device. You also used to be unable to use the RevoDrive as a Windows 7 x64 boot device, as the driver wasn't WHQL signed - although I don't know if that's changed.

Plus, they're aimed at two very different markets: the RevoDrive is a workstation card, and priced accordingly, whereas the RAIDR is an enthusiast card - meaning that, while it'll be expensive, it should be priced lower than the RevoDrive.

RevoDrive yes, revodrive3 can be used in win7 and win8 as a boot device You require the latest raid driver for the drive to be downloaded from OCZ but everything does indeed work very smoothly.

With that in mind, the fact the revo is 10-15% faster in terms of read/write performance and provided 120,000IOPs leaves the Asus unit a little redundant.

Consider a Toshiba 19nm based drive on the 2281 controller and then RAID that said drive.. you get performance on SATA of app 1100/1000 read/write with 130-150k IOPs.


All testing will be carried on by Asus and OCZ on an 8GB LBA to ensure the maximum performance for the IOPs however which we both know is not large enough for a treue reflection of performance as an OS is bigger than 8GB in its self.


OCZ have come along way since those issues, its just a shame OCZ have had a wake up call leading to increased prices to maintain channel integrity and margins and ultimately a lack of stock on certain SKUs as a result.


Its good to see ASUS have done this, couple this with an ARES, an Rampage extreme, or Maximus Extreme, and the Pheobus and you have yourself the a very 1 manufacturer based system that admitedly will look very cool. Its just a shame that the other product mentioned is the faster product and just as able now.

I wont comment on reliability however.... read that as you will
__________________
Systems with parts from various manfacturers
andrew8200m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 12:15   #9
Baz
I work for Corsair
 
Baz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Reading
Posts: 1,808
Baz is the Cheesecake. Relix smiles down upon them.Baz is the Cheesecake. Relix smiles down upon them.Baz is the Cheesecake. Relix smiles down upon them.Baz is the Cheesecake. Relix smiles down upon them.Baz is the Cheesecake. Relix smiles down upon them.Baz is the Cheesecake. Relix smiles down upon them.Baz is the Cheesecake. Relix smiles down upon them.Baz is the Cheesecake. Relix smiles down upon them.Baz is the Cheesecake. Relix smiles down upon them.Baz is the Cheesecake. Relix smiles down upon them.Baz is the Cheesecake. Relix smiles down upon them.
Quote:
Originally Posted by andrew8200m
OCZ RevoDrive 3..

Same controllers, different NAND, slower speeds on paper, likely similar performance.

Late to the show much :/
I agree, seems a very untimely decision; the SandForce 2281 controller is almost 2 years old now!

Also, I'm damned sure you could use the Revodrive to boot windows, because I did it in my review. Loading the RAID driver added a helpful 10 seconds to boot times. Speedy.
Baz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 12:27   #10
TheStockBroker
Ultramodder
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: London, Bro
Posts: 1,475
TheStockBroker is definitely a rep cheat.TheStockBroker is definitely a rep cheat.TheStockBroker is definitely a rep cheat.TheStockBroker is definitely a rep cheat.TheStockBroker is definitely a rep cheat.TheStockBroker is definitely a rep cheat.TheStockBroker is definitely a rep cheat.TheStockBroker is definitely a rep cheat.TheStockBroker is definitely a rep cheat.TheStockBroker is definitely a rep cheat.TheStockBroker is definitely a rep cheat.
Oh Asus.

Like EVGA, I love their hardware. Between the two companies, I favour these above all else, and buy where possible... But their software always leaves so much to be desired... Their firmware is always top-notch, and the hardware performs excellently. But I couldn't commit to buying this before seeing what (probably) terrible implementation of desktop software is required to get it running as suggesting in the article.

Also, why such small sizes? I think most enthusiasts are now looking at the 2xxGB SSD's as the bare minimum for size.

If I see a 480GB version, that doesn't share the Revodrive issues, is fully Win8 certified and can confirm the desktop software isn't shockingly bad... Then I'd certainly give it a shot. God knows I NEED MOAR SPEED
__________________
Phanteks Enthoo Primo / AsRock Rack EP2C602-4L/D16 / Dual Xeon E5-2670 / EK Custom WC Loop / 128GB Samsung 1600Mhz ECC REG DDR3 / MSI Twin Frozr II 290X / Arcam RPAC / 512GB Samsung 950 Pro / EVGA 850w Supernova / Dell U3415W
TheStockBroker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 13:47   #11
damien c
Mad FPS Gamer
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 2,432
damien c is a Super Spamming Saiyandamien c is a Super Spamming Saiyandamien c is a Super Spamming Saiyandamien c is a Super Spamming Saiyandamien c is a Super Spamming Saiyandamien c is a Super Spamming Saiyandamien c is a Super Spamming Saiyandamien c is a Super Spamming Saiyandamien c is a Super Spamming Saiyandamien c is a Super Spamming Saiyandamien c is a Super Spamming Saiyan
I am tempted with one of these but the capacity is going to be to small for my next ssd.
__________________
I7 4790K, 16Gb Corsair 2400Mhz, MSI Gaming 5, 980Ti SLI, 840 Evo 500Gb, 2x 3TB WD Red, Corsair RM 1KW (White cables kit), Corsair CPU Loop, Phanteks Enthoo Primo.
damien c is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 19:13   #12
r3loaded
Ultramodder
 
r3loaded's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Cambridge/Manchester
Posts: 1,095
r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.
It's gonna be expensive for sure - probably not worth it over a Samsung 840 Pro unless you need for performance for workstation applications.
__________________
Main: Silverstone FT03 | Asus P8P67-M Pro | i5 2500K @ 4.6Ghz | CM 212+ | 16GB Corsair Vengeance 1600Mhz | XFX Radeon 7970 DD | 500GB Samsung 840 Evo | Samsung XL2270HD | KBT Race | Logitech G402
Mac: 13 inch MacBook Pro 2014 | 16GB RAM | Filco Minila Air | Magic Trackpad
Server: Asus M3N78-AM | Athlon II X3 400e | 4GB Corsair XMS2 | 4x 2TB Samsung F4EG (RAID-5) | LSI MegaRAID 8708EM2 | Corsair CX400 | Arch Linux
r3loaded is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 21:44   #13
Jimbob
Multimodder
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 139
Jimbob has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Is it really worth while in those capacities? The sort of person that would buy this will mostly have a s-ata 3 Raid capable mobo anyway, buy couple of 120GB drives and job done. If this was in 512GB onwards then it could be much more worthwhile.
Jimbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Apr 2013, 21:45   #14
Gradius
IT Consultant
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 284
Gradius should be considered for presidentGradius should be considered for presidentGradius should be considered for presidentGradius should be considered for presidentGradius should be considered for presidentGradius should be considered for presidentGradius should be considered for presidentGradius should be considered for presidentGradius should be considered for presidentGradius should be considered for presidentGradius should be considered for president
750MB? Pretty slow, I already do 2GB/s here everyday.
Gradius is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22nd Apr 2013, 15:08   #15
ziza
Multimodder
 
ziza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Portugal
Posts: 180
ziza has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
I like the idea of having an extra cache with Asus' RoG HybriDisk, however I expect that is is not a real cache since the read/write rates will be sower than traditional cache systems.
I hope that use this cache for management purposes in the SSD rather than for a system cache.
__________________
Quote:
Per me si va nella cittą dolente,
per me si va nell'eterno dolore,
per me si va tra la perduta gente
ziza is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th Jan 2014, 03:59   #16
Ahadihunter1
Modder
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 62
Ahadihunter1 has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gradius
750MB? Pretty slow, I already do 2GB/s here everyday.
WHAT THE FLIP!!?? What jokes are you playing? Samsung's pro 840 series are maxed at 1GB per second.
And that's the maximum in the market. Did you overclock your Drive or something?
Or are you using a custom made crystal quartz self made modified indilinx chip in your basement?? XDDD
Ahadihunter1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
asus, pci express, pcie ssd, raid, raid 0, raidr, raidr express, rog, rog raidr express, solid-state, solid-state drive, solid-state storage, ssd

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:00.
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.