bit-tech.net

Go Back   bit-tech.net Forums > bit-tech.net > Article Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 4th Sep 2013, 10:28   #1
Gareth Halfacree
WIIGII!
bit-tech Staff
 
Gareth Halfacree's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Bradford, UK
Posts: 3,665
Gareth Halfacree is definitely a rep cheat.Gareth Halfacree is definitely a rep cheat.Gareth Halfacree is definitely a rep cheat.Gareth Halfacree is definitely a rep cheat.Gareth Halfacree is definitely a rep cheat.Gareth Halfacree is definitely a rep cheat.Gareth Halfacree is definitely a rep cheat.Gareth Halfacree is definitely a rep cheat.Gareth Halfacree is definitely a rep cheat.Gareth Halfacree is definitely a rep cheat.Gareth Halfacree is definitely a rep cheat.
Intel launches Ivy Bridge-E Core i7 chips

Three chips for Socket 2011 users.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...ivy-bridge-e/1
__________________
Author, Raspberry Pi User Guide, Meet the Raspberry Pi | gareth.halfacree.co.uk | twitter
bit-tech news correspondent, Custom PC columnist, other things to other people
I'm a filthy freelancer! Hire me!
Gareth Halfacree is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 4th Sep 2013, 10:32   #2
maverik-sg1
Supermodder
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 271
maverik-sg1 is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.maverik-sg1 is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.maverik-sg1 is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.maverik-sg1 is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.maverik-sg1 is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.maverik-sg1 is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.maverik-sg1 is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.maverik-sg1 is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.maverik-sg1 is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.maverik-sg1 is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.maverik-sg1 is a hoopy frood who really knows where their towel is.
If they have the same overclocking bottleneck due to the TIM under the IHS as previous ivy bridge parts - whats the point?
maverik-sg1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th Sep 2013, 10:41   #3
Corky42
Mod Master
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 2,504
Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.
Well if they can hit 4GHz in Turbo Boost mode Intel must be confident its not going to exceed TJMax, i think the interesting question would be how much higher could they go.
Corky42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th Sep 2013, 10:50   #4
meandmymouth
Mod Master
 
meandmymouth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,187
meandmymouth is definitely a rep cheat.meandmymouth is definitely a rep cheat.meandmymouth is definitely a rep cheat.meandmymouth is definitely a rep cheat.meandmymouth is definitely a rep cheat.meandmymouth is definitely a rep cheat.meandmymouth is definitely a rep cheat.meandmymouth is definitely a rep cheat.meandmymouth is definitely a rep cheat.meandmymouth is definitely a rep cheat.meandmymouth is definitely a rep cheat.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corky42 View Post
Well if they can hit 4GHz in Turbo Boost mode Intel must be confident its not going to exceed TJMax, i think the interesting question would be how much higher could they go.
From the reviews I have read 4.5GHz seems to be about max. I assume bit-ech has a review coming...

This launch has been the least exciting from Intel for a long time. In fact, there is nothing the be excited about at all here. Oh well.
meandmymouth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th Sep 2013, 16:41   #5
Chris_Waddle
Another World Cup let down
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The land of overpaid footballers
Posts: 562
Chris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpit
I'll be honest, I was looking forward to this launch. I bypassed the SB-E range (having only just built a 980X system when it launched) and I have also given Haswell a miss.

I thought that this would be the ideal upgrade for me when I heard about it. I am slightly disappointed in the figures, but as I don't have SB-E the 4930K is still a good jump up from my 3770K and the PCI bandwidth of socket 2011 appeals as I am going multi GPU.

What I am most disappointed in is that there is no new chipset and I will have to purchase a 2 year old EOL mATX board (will the system even boot with an IB-E chip in to allow me to update the bios?).

If they can't even be bothered to support them, then it's no wonder they've released these chips without much of a fanfare.

Sorry Intel, but I'll keep my money this time thanks.
Chris_Waddle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th Sep 2013, 16:42   #6
Chris_Waddle
Another World Cup let down
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The land of overpaid footballers
Posts: 562
Chris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpit
Quote:
Originally Posted by maverik-sg1 View Post
If they have the same overclocking bottleneck due to the TIM under the IHS as previous ivy bridge parts - whats the point?
The IHS is soldered this time, so heat will be far less of an issue.
Chris_Waddle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th Sep 2013, 03:35   #7
Fracture
Minimodder
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 24
Fracture has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
@Chris_Waddle Asus (well, an Asus employee) in particular has hinted at an upcoming release of more x79 motherboards. A release date was suggested at around mid-september. While it isn't a new chipset, I'm personally waiting to see what Asus can pull out of the bag and what 3rd party controllers they'll include to update the aging platform. Otherwise, it seems that Haswell-E might be my next upgrade...
Fracture is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th Sep 2013, 08:02   #8
r3loaded
Ultramodder
 
r3loaded's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Manchester, UK
Posts: 1,074
r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.r3loaded is definitely a rep cheat.
The consequence of basing an enthusiast chip on a server design is that the technology will move slowly (server OEMs want to keep the same socket for as long as possible) and that core count will be prioritised over IPC. Going with IB-E means you'll be stuck on the X79 chipset, with its lack of native USB 3.0, only two SATA 6Gbps ports and wonky PCIe 3.0 support. I'm willing to bet that for the vast majority of enthusiasts, even the extreme performance/wealthy enthusiasts, the regular Haswell chips will be a much better choice than IB-E unless the system will be running workstation/server workloads extensively.
__________________
Main: Silverstone FT03 | Asus P8P67-M Pro | i5 2500K @ 4.6Ghz | CM 212+ | 16GB Corsair Vengeance 1600Mhz | XFX Radeon 7970 DD | 500GB Samsung 840 Evo | CM Silent Pro Gold 600W | Samsung XL2270HD | KBT Race (brown switches) | Sidewinder X8 | Arch Linux + Windows 8.1
Server: Asus M3N78-AM | Athlon II X3 400e | 4GB Corsair XMS2 | 4x 2TB Samsung F4EG (RAID-5) | LSI MegaRAID 8708EM2 | Corsair CX400 | Arch Linux
r3loaded is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 5th Sep 2013, 09:11   #9
Chris_Waddle
Another World Cup let down
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The land of overpaid footballers
Posts: 562
Chris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpitChris_Waddle is almost as Godly as yodasarmpit
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fracture View Post
@Chris_Waddle Asus (well, an Asus employee) in particular has hinted at an upcoming release of more x79 motherboards. A release date was suggested at around mid-september. While it isn't a new chipset, I'm personally waiting to see what Asus can pull out of the bag and what 3rd party controllers they'll include to update the aging platform. Otherwise, it seems that Haswell-E might be my next upgrade...
I am aware of some new Asus boards, but Bindi has already said in another thread that there won't be any new mATX boards. I don't want a full size board, hence if I did want to go for IB-E I would have to get an EOL board.
Chris_Waddle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 6th Sep 2013, 08:51   #10
Fracture
Minimodder
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 24
Fracture has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris_Waddle
I am aware of some new Asus boards, but Bindi has already said in another thread that there won't be any new mATX boards. I don't want a full size board, hence if I did want to go for IB-E I would have to get an EOL board.
Ah okay, I wasn't aware of that... I think I'll be waiting for Haswell-E then, as I will be needing an mATX board too
Fracture is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th Sep 2013, 12:50   #11
Assassin8or
Minimodder
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 49
Assassin8or has yet to learn the way of the Dremel
This is fairly poor. There are three variants of the Xeon E5 chips that these are based upon, and these seem to be based upon the lowest end model that only comes in 4 and 6 core variants.

They could have at least bumped up the core count from 4/6 to 6/8. Those that say that so many cores aren't needed aren't looking to what the new consoles could do for core usage in games.
Assassin8or is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th Sep 2013, 15:35   #12
Corky42
Mod Master
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 2,504
Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Assassin8or View Post
Those that say that so many cores aren't needed aren't looking to what the new consoles could do for core usage in games.
You best get in touch with the author of this article on RPS then
Quote:
it does rather look like you’ll pretty much never have to upgrade your CPU to cope with the next decade of console ports. Almost any half decent CPU you currently have will be game enough.
Corky42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th Sep 2013, 17:30   #13
AlienwareAndy
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Sunny West Sussex
Posts: 3,421
AlienwareAndy is definitely a rep cheat.AlienwareAndy is definitely a rep cheat.AlienwareAndy is definitely a rep cheat.AlienwareAndy is definitely a rep cheat.AlienwareAndy is definitely a rep cheat.AlienwareAndy is definitely a rep cheat.AlienwareAndy is definitely a rep cheat.AlienwareAndy is definitely a rep cheat.AlienwareAndy is definitely a rep cheat.AlienwareAndy is definitely a rep cheat.AlienwareAndy is definitely a rep cheat.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Corky42 View Post
You best get in touch with the author of this article on RPS then
I would be inclined to take this article seriously..

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/di...c-for-next-gen

Most notably -

We approached a number of developers on and off the record - each of whom has helped to ship multi-million-selling, triple-A titles - asking them whether an Intel or AMD processor offers the best way to future-proof a games PC built in the here and now. Bearing in mind the historical dominance Intel has enjoyed, the results are intriguing - all of them opted for the FX-8350 over the current default enthusiast's choice, the Core i5 3570K.

I will take the word of the hand that feeds any day over a web site with a laptop they played with for a while.

Now that RPS article does have a point. Pretty much any modern decent CPU and GPU will take care of the next gen of console games. And those games are slowly beginning to filter through now.

Oddly enough those games tend to coincide with many articles and reviews that say that an AMD Piledriver is worth having.

The results on those Piledrivers? well, with BF3, Far Cry 3 and Crysis 3 the results are favourable. However, you can't just run those games "On any old CPU" as the RPS article suggests. You still need a reasonably fast one.
AlienwareAndy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 14th Sep 2013, 18:44   #14
Corky42
Mod Master
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 2,504
Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.Corky42 is definitely a rep cheat.
Yea AMD are looking better than they used to, now they have XBOX and PS4 in the bag it makes AMD more attractive for a gaming PC.

Either way i would consider the guy from RPS is right when he says
"never have to upgrade your CPU to cope with the next decade of console ports." be that AMD or Intel.
Corky42 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
core i7, core i7-4820k, core i7-4930k, core i7-4960x, cpu, haswell, ifa, intel, ivy bridge-e, sandy bridge, socket 2011, x79

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 11:55.
Powered by: vBulletin Version 3
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.