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Old 10th Oct 2013, 12:08   #1
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Global PC market slowdown to continue

Watchers warn despite signs of growth.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardwar...ket-slowdown/1
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Old 10th Oct 2013, 12:56   #2
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Doesn't this say more about people not wanting to buy from the established OEM brands than any decline in actual PC hardware sales.
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Old 10th Oct 2013, 13:07   #3
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Decline is pretty obvious - everyone is buying phones/tablets/consoles not PC's with their hard earned cash. Even those who do buy PC's are buying less due to market stagnation - cpu's have barely changed for years now, gpu's are faster but have got a lot more expensive. Games don't push the hardware as much as they used too as most are just console ports.
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Decline is pretty obvious
Not really, the graphics market increased 4.6% in Q2 2013 despite the decline in unit sales from the major OEM's While Steam shows year-on-year growth of 76%

It seems more that people don't want to buy the junk some OEM's are are designing.
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Old 10th Oct 2013, 13:45   #5
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What if Valve adopt a direct sales strategy? It worked for them with games.
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My neighbour bought a tablet as a "upgrade" from an old laptop.
It did not do what he expected it to do.

While a lot of people buy a tablet as an ancillary to a laptop or desktop PC, many have trouble distinguishing product lines and buy a tablet as an upgrade to current hardware then wonder why they can't do everything they could before.
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Don't forget

Global PC shipped for Q3 2013 still = 81 Million (aprox)
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24375913

Global tablet shipped for Q2 2013 = 45 Million (aprox)
http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS24253413

Granted they are three months apart, and predictions (such that they are) point to tablet sales outstripping PC sales in 2014.

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Outside of apple, shipped does not = sold which is what most of these guesses are based on. For tablets this is even more the way it's done. None of the major competitors ever release true any numbers.

Pc sales / shipped is = difficult to pin down.
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Old 10th Oct 2013, 16:13   #10
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Hmm, so does this mean a lot of the gamers and internet browsers are now using tablets and smartphones for their gaming and internet needs?
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Old 10th Oct 2013, 17:42   #11
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Gamers and IT enthusiasts are a tiny % of the actual PC population.
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Old 10th Oct 2013, 18:29   #12
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Gamers and IT enthusiasts are a tiny % of the actual PC population.
This exactly.

The business-sector replaces their hardware not very often, as all the office-stuff can be basically done on 10 year-old hardware, and the end-consumers who bought PCs for media-consumptions, communication and browsing have shiifted mostly to smartphones and tablets.

The rest of the people who do want to do some work with their PCs at home are usually only doing some light work like office or some media-editing, but as the business-sector, you don't need to replace your hardware very often for these tasks.

The people in forums like these have a skewed picture naturally, as they either tend to do some serious work at home or they're PC-gamers, but this is maybe 5% of the whole endconsumer-market.

I wouldn't be too surprised if companies like Dell or HP shift more and more towards business only, and stop selling their PCs to end-consumers within the next five years and only keep sellinig their notebooks/laptops/AIOs to end-consumers.
Apple has basically stopped selling anything else than notebooks/laptops/AIOs and the upcoming MacPro iis basically nothing else than an AIO.

It's not that bad news tho, as their'll allways be a need for standard-components. The only thing that might happen is that the prices will increase due to less demand.
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Needed a new office PC for my Dad and as it's for a business environment you don't get much time to shop around and wait for a good deal.

Market is as you would expect in the $300-400 price range mostly APUs and Core i3 systems with 4-6GB of RAM all of which perform well enough but it's pretty obvious Windows 8 is turning most people away from buying these systems.

Windows 8 has a bad rep and for casual/office users it sticks out as a reason not to buy any of these systems. Unlike in the past when you could easily downgrade (directly through Microsoft even for Vista-XP users) BB employees have told me it's actually impossible due to the UEFI BIOS and there being no CD key provided though of course it is possible using your own copy if you can find all the requisite drivers.

They also recommend me to install "Windows Shell" to get a start button and start menu back while also saying it's apparently impossible to make DVD backup partitions anymore and a 32GB flash drive must be sacrificed instead which I haven't been able to confirm.

Ended up with a tiny Acer Core i3 based machine as the AMD APU's focus on graphics over general processing isn't the best fit for a strictly office and web PC.
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The market just needs to adapt or suffer. Tablets are king for casual users and that's a massive percentage of the market. And then most offices have crappy old hardware anyway and very rarely upgrade, so they are going to suffer long term. And it's only going to get worse as tablets get better too. Currently they are glorified ebook readers, especially the apple type ones because they can't do anything over an iphone or whatever. But once more tablets come out with usb ports and hdmi and fully fledged operating systems that let you install whatever you want, then more people are going to go that route. I can imagine a point where they are so cheap and so mass produced that everyone will have one eventually, kind of like a wristwatch used to be and how smartphones are today. Eventually everyone will have one for reading or watching films in the bath or whatever, and an ever smaller number of people will want a full PC.
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Tablets are a lot like microwaves, they do most of what you need to do. Most of us have the stove and oven, but it gets used seldom and replaced even more seldom, whereas the microwave gets used daily and wears out faster.

Desktop PCs aren't going away, but the trend of selling fewer and fewer of them will continue for a while until a plateau is reached.

Windows 8 certainly isn't helping anything, except perhaps the uptake of Android.

I can't see ever not owning and using a desktop PC, but I can certainly see adding a tablet in the next year or so.
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I do agree that those that upgrade often are those that need as much raw power as they can muster.
Whereas I know someone who's using a computer older than my youngest brother as their Internet PC because thay have no need to upgrade.


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They also recommend me to install "Windows Shell" to get a start button and start menu back...
Classic Shell:
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Over here is the same thing, employees of large retail stores give some points to potential customers on how to manouver in W8 and then, after seeing the customers face, suggest a StartMenu replacement.

PS: Or suggest tablets, depending on the intended use, where Android rules via price.
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Then again, how good is the tech advice of sales people in large retail stores? I recall all the jokes we make about PC World staff...
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