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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 12:22   #1
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Areal Kickstarter suspended over fraud concerns

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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 12:31   #2
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at least with kickstarter you have s safety net - pledges via the makers own website? reminds me of another cancelled kickstarter where the owner freely admitted to spanking all the funds in a lavish lifestyle *citation needed when I find the link*
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It's funny, I was reading this article on Kotaku last night about the yogscast failed game after being funded, and now this too. I suppose it's good that they stopped it but it still lowers my confidence with anything on kickstarter.
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 15:01   #5
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It's funny, I was reading this article on Kotaku last night about the yogscast failed game after being funded, and now this too. I suppose it's good that they stopped it but it still lowers my confidence with anything on kickstarter.
I've only backed a few projects on Kickstarter, but they all have something in common: failure is highly unlikely. One was a hand-held console that already existed in prototype form, meaning it just needed to enter volume production; another is a tool, same deal; a few others were books, and it's hard to imagine not receiving *anything* from those even if they turn out to be crap.

Software, though? Not a chance. Too much room for feature-creep. I'll buy a copy when it's done, but I'm not risking my cash on an unproven project.
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Old 23rd Jul 2014, 15:47   #6
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haha, man-o-man i wish i was there when the guy came up with that putin idea and thought to himself: "oh! thats a cool idea..." type type type, update page!
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haha, man-o-man i wish i was there when the guy came up with that putin idea and thought to himself: "oh! thats a cool idea..." type type type, update page!
That guy is now on Putins 'To Do' list
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I've only backed a few projects on Kickstarter, but they all have something in common: failure is highly unlikely. One was a hand-held console that already existed in prototype form, meaning it just needed to enter volume production; another is a tool, same deal; a few others were books, and it's hard to imagine not receiving *anything* from those even if they turn out to be crap.

Software, though? Not a chance. Too much room for feature-creep. I'll buy a copy when it's done, but I'm not risking my cash on an unproven project.
The only game I've pledged to is 'Obduction' by Cyan with Rand Miller and his team, they have been around for decades and have always produced what they promised, I'm slightly biased though as I have been a Myst and Riven fan since the first Myst was released and Rand and the team have done a lot of publicity with appearances on TV and radio to promote the new game.

There are few game developers that have the continuous history of Cyan and Rand Miller and I feel that if Obduction failed for some reason it wouldn't be because of anything dodgy, there is always the chance for the usual game delays, especially as Cyan exceeded their KS total so stretch goals are now possible but that's nothing new and is more frustrating than financially risky.

Obviously there has to be trust to pledge money and I don't think they come more trustworthy than Rand Miller

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I've only backed a few projects on Kickstarter, but they all have something in common: failure is highly unlikely. One was a hand-held console that already existed in prototype form, meaning it just needed to enter volume production; another is a tool, same deal; a few others were books, and it's hard to imagine not receiving *anything* from those even if they turn out to be crap.

Software, though? Not a chance. Too much room for feature-creep. I'll buy a copy when it's done, but I'm not risking my cash on an unproven project.
The only game I've pledged to is 'Obduction' by Cyan with Rand Miller and his team, they have been around for decades and have always produced what they promised, I'm slightly biased though as I have been a Myst and Riven fan since the first Myst was released and Rand and the team have done a lot of publicity with appearances on TV and radio to promote the new game.

There are few game developers that have the continuous history of Cyan and Rand Miller and I feel that if Obduction failed for some reason it wouldn't be because of anything dodgy, there is always the chance for the usual game delays, especially as Cyan exceeded their KS total so stretch goals are now possible but that's nothing new and is more frustrating than financially risky.

Obviously there has to be trust to pledge money and I don't think they come more trustworthy than Rand Miller

Obduction Kickstarter video.
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Same could be said for DoubleFine, and look what happened there: they raised far more than their target, then turned around and said it wasn't enough. (Not saying that'll happen with Obduction, but as the investment adverts warn "past performance is no indicator of the future.")
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It's funny, I was reading this article on Kotaku last night about the yogscast failed game after being funded, and now this too. I suppose it's good that they stopped it but it still lowers my confidence with anything on kickstarter.
The thing you have to remember with Kickstarter is it's not a store. You are actually funding development of a product, making it possible to make things that will someday show up in stores. Doesn't that sound grand?
Which carries a good deal of risk, and means you have to exercise a lot more judgement than usual. If someone's making claims that sound too good to be true, they probably are.


I've backed a few projects, all things I had confidence in or was willing to risk the (admittedly meager) money because they were offering a dream I believed in.

All of the game projects I've helped fund are still in development. And the authors are still putting out regular and credible updates.
Some have apologized for missing projected milestones. One recently informed me of legal threats from a larger company(threats which would be hilariously groundless if it weren't for the difference in legal budgets between the two companies). Another boosted everyone's backer rewards to include a free copy of an older game they'd developed.
They've all been very honest and down-to-earth, which I guess means I can pick 'em well. I've yet to give money to anyone that's disappeared into the mist.
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